ElectricityRates.com's marketing and tech lead on why bills are hard to predict in deregulated energy markets, what drives demand and why stability counts.
About this episode
0:00:00.080,0:00:04.560
Is your energy bill going up? Well, if you answered yes to this question,
0:00:04.560,0:00:17.040
keep watching the episodes because we're going to talk about drivers behind this.
0:00:17.040,0:00:22.080
Hello friends, you are watching another episode of the Green New Perspective podcast. If this
0:00:22.080,0:00:27.280
is a first time on your channel, welcome. This is a place where you can learn about innovative
0:00:27.280,0:00:32.400
technologies from the experts in the space. If you like what you hear,
0:00:32.400,0:00:36.560
hit that subscribe button, follow us, and of course, leave us comments. Tell us
0:00:36.560,0:00:41.680
what you liked and what you disliked. We really appreciate your feedback here. My guest today
0:00:41.680,0:00:46.880
is Adam Cain from Electricity Rates, a consumer platform that helps people understand
0:00:46.880,0:00:53.280
and compare energy options in deregulated markets. um his background is in marketing and
0:00:53.280,0:00:58.960
technology and the focus of his work today is translating how energy system actually
0:00:58.960,0:01:04.960
works and how those changes are reflecting on our energy bills. So in today's
0:01:04.960,0:01:10.720
conversation we are going to look what's behind the rising energy costs and what we as consumers
0:01:10.720,0:01:15.360
can actually do about it. So if this is something that piques your interest stay tuned and
0:01:15.360,0:01:20.480
watch the conversation. Hello, Adam and welcome to the Green New Perspective
0:01:41.440,0:01:46.880
podcast. Hi, Dunja. So, for starters, can you tell us more about yourself to me and to our audience
0:01:46.880,0:01:51.600
and what drew you to this energy space that we're going to talk about in this episode? Yeah,
0:01:51.600,0:02:00.080
definitely. My name is Adam Cain and I have been in the marketing and technology world for almost
0:02:00.080,0:02:06.960
20 years now, coming from a background in various industries like staffing and higher education.
0:02:06.960,0:02:14.000
Um and about 6 years ago found myself applying my marketing and technology background to the energy
0:02:14.000,0:02:21.120
space at ElectricityRates.com um which is a part of powertarget. What we do at Power Target is we
0:02:21.120,0:02:28.880
are a technology company that helps homeowners and businesses understand their energy choices in
0:02:28.880,0:02:36.000
uh what's a rather complex industry and help connect them with various offers from retail
0:02:36.000,0:02:40.320
energy providers and other companies that are helping to save them on their bill. and
0:02:40.320,0:02:45.760
we've helped a little over 250,000 um customers, homeowners and businesses that have come through
0:02:45.760,0:02:52.160
our platform find better energy choices since we got started. And how has your role evolved as the
0:02:52.160,0:02:58.160
industries keep on shifting? Yeah, definitely. So, what we're finding is that there is a significant
0:02:58.160,0:03:06.000
amount of either misinformation or undereducation about people's energy bills and how they can
0:03:06.000,0:03:10.560
control them and what they can do about it. And this has been accelerated over the past couple
0:03:10.560,0:03:16.800
years just due to r the rising costs of pretty much every um consumer good including um energy.
0:03:16.800,0:03:22.000
So what we found is that it's extremely important and one of the reasons why I'm on this podcast to
0:03:22.000,0:03:29.920
to get better information out there that people can understand and um and more importantly just um
0:03:29.920,0:03:35.040
about the decisions that they're making. Well, you mentioned misunderstanding basically the
0:03:35.040,0:03:41.040
market. So in your own words, what space does the company occupy and what problems are you solving
0:03:41.040,0:03:48.560
for consumers? Sure. So we think of ourselves as sort of an intermediate intermediary for our
0:03:48.560,0:03:54.800
industry kind of like Trip Advisor or Kayak or any any of those other consumer websites where
0:03:54.800,0:04:01.120
somebody can unpack their um their options from a trusted third party resource. What we're seeing
0:04:01.120,0:04:07.600
is that energy choice um and restructuring has caused a lot of confusion. There are a lot of
0:04:07.600,0:04:12.800
conflicting priorities and things that are driving people to do things that they do. For example,
0:04:12.800,0:04:17.840
for the longest time, people dealt with doortodoor sales and people trying to get them to sign up
0:04:17.840,0:04:22.800
for energy plans at their door because they're getting paid for every uh person they they get
0:04:22.800,0:04:26.480
signed up for and people had no clue what they were signing up for. So one of the things we try
0:04:26.480,0:04:33.760
to do is people search for things like why is my bill so high and then we provide education around
0:04:33.760,0:04:38.480
um these questions and help kind of steer them in the right path towards towards solutions that are
0:04:38.480,0:04:44.000
offered through the the energy companies that we partner with. So when you think about brands
0:04:44.000,0:04:50.320
let's say early vision and where it stands today what parts of that identity have stayed core and
0:04:50.320,0:04:56.960
what's evolved? Yeah definitely. So when energy choice started in the late '9s, the goal was
0:04:56.960,0:05:04.560
for retail energy providers to compete with each other and drive down energy prices for consumers
0:05:04.560,0:05:11.200
and businesses across the board. And while that's millions and millions of people in America since
0:05:11.200,0:05:17.520
then, there have been a number of factors along the way that have caused the train to derail
0:05:17.520,0:05:23.200
um derail a little bit. And for for our listeners who don't know much about energy policies,
0:05:23.200,0:05:28.240
what's important to understand? Yeah, definitely. I think the world is is changing. Nobody could
0:05:28.240,0:05:35.600
have predicted the proliferation of AI data centers and having to charge electric vehicles
0:05:35.600,0:05:42.240
at home and things like electric heat pumps, which are great for energy efficiency and and
0:05:42.240,0:05:48.400
way more efficient than heating oil in the way that we used to power our water heater at home.
0:05:48.400,0:05:53.760
the strain that these things are putting on the grid and the just what that means for what you're
0:05:53.760,0:05:58.000
ultimately paying on your energy bill and and the bottom line and we that's something that
0:05:58.000,0:06:03.680
we try to unpack for people so at least um they they understand it a little better and you've
0:06:03.680,0:06:09.440
mentioned a couple of times by now the energy cost that keeps on rising so in your view what
0:06:09.440,0:06:16.880
forces are driving this unpredict predictability let's say yeah so like I said our current grid was
0:06:16.880,0:06:21.840
designed back in in the 50s and 60s when people had to turn the lights on and maybe power a couple
0:06:21.840,0:06:27.440
small appliances and a refrigerator and that was it. The people that designed that system back then
0:06:27.440,0:06:33.760
could never have predicted what is going on now with the electrification of everything EVs, AI,
0:06:33.760,0:06:39.760
heat pumps except like I had mentioned. So what all of that is forcing um utility companies to do
0:06:39.760,0:06:48.160
is massively invest in upgrading so they can still provide a reliable and sustainable grid. And those
0:06:48.160,0:06:53.760
costs have to get paid by somebody somewhere. So that's that's a lot of what we're seeing.
0:06:53.760,0:07:00.560
And I think a common misconception is that it's due to extremely recent um political factors and
0:07:00.560,0:07:06.320
other um other happenings um in local areas. And that's really not the case. I mean this has been
0:07:06.320,0:07:12.800
coming for a really long time and um utilities are finally starting to address it and operating
0:07:12.800,0:07:18.800
this market is like we mentioned a couple of times quite unpredictable. So operating in a market that
0:07:18.800,0:07:24.480
changes from month to month. How do you think about staying flexible both as a team and as
0:07:24.480,0:07:32.080
a product? Yeah. So our ma the main value that we deliver to our customers is transparent fixed rate
0:07:32.080,0:07:37.440
energy plan. So, at the very least, somebody can come to our website and they might be able to save
0:07:37.440,0:07:41.680
a little bit immediately, but more importantly, they're able to lock in their energy rate. So,
0:07:41.680,0:07:48.160
they know it won't change for 6, 12, up to 24 months. So, that's offering immediate um
0:07:48.160,0:07:54.720
price stability. The other um important trend that we're seeing is people want control. In the past,
0:07:54.720,0:08:00.400
the way that you interacted with your energy was extremely passive. People got their bill once a
0:08:00.400,0:08:03.840
month. It might have been higher or lower. They might have like grumbled a little bit,
0:08:03.840,0:08:09.200
but they paid it and went on with their lives. I think consumers nowadays are much more informed.
0:08:09.200,0:08:13.440
There's an app for everything where you can control everything. Um, and we're also seeing
0:08:13.440,0:08:18.400
that in the energy industry. So, people want to control um how much energy they're using.
0:08:18.400,0:08:23.040
They want to control what they're paying for it. And when you look at how people shop for
0:08:23.040,0:08:27.760
electricity plans, what surprised you most about the the average consumer understanding?
0:08:27.760,0:08:35.040
I think that what surprises me the most is that people are not only driven by price,
0:08:35.040,0:08:39.440
which seemed to be the case when we started Power Target a little over a decade ago. People
0:08:39.440,0:08:44.080
came and if they could save money immediately, they liked what they saw and if they couldn't,
0:08:44.080,0:08:49.760
then they just waited until um an energy company had a better offer. But nowadays,
0:08:49.760,0:08:55.200
I think that people are really locked into that budget certainty that I mentioned and then knowing
0:08:55.200,0:09:01.440
that like, hey, if the entire world collapses in the next um for lack of a better um metaphor,
0:09:01.440,0:09:06.720
in the next 12 months, at least my energy bill is going to be consistent. So, we're seeing um people
0:09:06.720,0:09:14.640
really place a value on on stability and and trust over um the the prospect of immediately saving
0:09:14.640,0:09:20.720
um money on their bill and helping people navigate something as technical as energy
0:09:20.720,0:09:27.120
rates takes clarity. So, what approaches have you found that actually move the needle in making this
0:09:27.120,0:09:33.680
accessible? Yeah, definitely. So along with our technology platform, we have sort of a a content
0:09:33.680,0:09:41.840
marketing engine that takes really complex things like public utility commission meeting notes and
0:09:41.840,0:09:47.760
technical energy contract documents and distills them to things that people can read and digest
0:09:47.760,0:09:54.000
and and get key takeaways from for what it means to them. So, for example, one of the
0:09:54.000,0:10:00.560
factors right now that's driving energy prices up here in the Mid-Atlantic area is something
0:10:00.560,0:10:07.360
called the PJM interconnection auction. And what that is is it's the auction for the next several
0:10:07.360,0:10:13.040
years of energy and what utilities from Ohio to Pennsylvania to Maryland and New Jersey and a few
0:10:13.040,0:10:19.280
other states are paying. And that's a major factor in what people are ultimately paying for energy.
0:10:19.280,0:10:25.120
Does anybody know what PJM means or what they do? For the most part, no. Did we before we
0:10:25.120,0:10:30.960
started researching it? Uh, very little um very little understanding, but it's it's important and
0:10:30.960,0:10:35.520
it helps dispel some of the myths um and some of the misinformation. And what's been the feedback
0:10:35.520,0:10:41.600
there? People love it. One of my favorite things every morning is getting onto our social media
0:10:41.600,0:10:46.480
profiles and seeing the response to some of the information that we're putting out there. when we
0:10:46.480,0:10:52.800
consistently see comments like, "Thank you so much for helping break this down and helping make this
0:10:52.800,0:10:58.480
understandable or at least giving me something I can something I can bring up when my neighbors are
0:10:58.480,0:11:03.120
arguing about how much money they're paying for for energy." So, yeah, it's been pretty positive.
0:11:03.120,0:11:07.520
Yeah, I can imagine. I think that I would need something similar to decide. You know,
0:11:07.520,0:11:12.080
it seems like you've been, let's say, in a room for a lot of industry conversations.
0:11:12.080,0:11:18.000
So what themes are standing out to you where the demand is headed? Yeah, definitely. So I
0:11:18.000,0:11:24.320
think the huge buzzword in all of the conferences and and meetings that we've been in with people
0:11:24.320,0:11:30.480
across the energy are what do the these massive AI data centers that are coming online mean for
0:11:30.480,0:11:34.800
in consumers and how are we going to pay for all of this energy that we need to power these
0:11:34.800,0:11:41.840
things. And I think one of the interesting things that's um come about is a new type of legislation
0:11:41.840,0:11:46.480
called pay their fair share. Um and it has a lot of different names in a lot of different places,
0:11:46.480,0:11:51.840
but it basically means like if you want to put this massive like power hungry data center on
0:11:51.840,0:11:58.560
the grid, then you also need to pay to upgrade the update the grid in that area so that um homeowners
0:11:58.560,0:12:03.200
and small businesses don't have to foot the cost to upgrade to make all these infrastructure
0:12:03.200,0:12:09.200
um upgrades. That's that's one of the really huge factors and a reason to be hopeful through all
0:12:09.200,0:12:15.520
of this change. Yeah, we've already talked about how much more people are informed with TVs, smart
0:12:15.520,0:12:21.600
homes, data centers like you mentioned expanding rapidly. Where do you see the biggest pressure
0:12:21.600,0:12:28.400
points or opportunities emerging? Yeah. So, the other big shift that has been fascinating is
0:12:28.400,0:12:34.960
there's a little bit of a a a power shift in terms of who is able to move the needle. In the past,
0:12:34.960,0:12:40.560
utility companies and lobbyists were able to get pretty much whatever they wanted pushed through
0:12:40.560,0:12:46.560
without much push back. An educated consumer is a dangerous consumer that we we've found. So,
0:12:46.560,0:12:50.400
what we found is that people are getting louder. people are talking to their local
0:12:50.400,0:12:54.800
representatives and they're having conversations which are leading to things like I had mentioned
0:12:54.800,0:13:00.160
like the the pay their fair share bill. So um what we're finding is that the the individual
0:13:00.160,0:13:06.880
consumer because of the information available in the education um and frankly people are pissed off
0:13:06.880,0:13:13.520
about their bill a lot more than they used to be. It's causing movement that we haven't seen in our
0:13:13.520,0:13:19.840
industry which is also also a reason for a little optimism. I would say that like misunderstanding
0:13:19.840,0:13:25.040
is the word that describes this conversation and there's I would say there's no shortage
0:13:25.040,0:13:32.000
of headlines about AI draining the grid. So from your point of view, what feels grounded in reality
0:13:32.000,0:13:38.080
and what's more like noise when we talk about this topic? I think it's a scapegoat. Uh to be honest,
0:13:38.080,0:13:45.680
it's an oversimplification of a much more complex problem. Um, and it's easy to point fingers at
0:13:45.680,0:13:52.080
corporations because they're big bad corporations and use buzzwords like AI data center, but it's
0:13:52.080,0:13:58.480
much more complex than that. Now, let's go back to the consumer. When someone opens a utility bill
0:13:58.480,0:14:04.320
that's higher than they expected, what realistic options they have and where does a platform like
0:14:04.320,0:14:11.680
yours fit into that moment? Yeah, definitely. So for people looking to um save money on their bill,
0:14:11.680,0:14:19.920
uh there are 13 states with um various levels of um energy choice or um restructured energy
0:14:19.920,0:14:26.240
markets. So in those areas like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Texas, Massachusetts, Connecticut, those
0:14:26.240,0:14:32.080
people can come to ElectricityRates.com, enter their zip code, see rates available in their area,
0:14:32.080,0:14:36.160
and then if they see one that they want to switch to, make the switch in a couple minutes. Now that
0:14:36.160,0:14:42.320
only covers a quarter to a third of the the country. I think that for all of the people in
0:14:42.320,0:14:49.840
areas without energy choice, there are a lot of options. There are things like community solar,
0:14:49.840,0:14:56.800
which is basically a flat savings on your bill by signing up with a local community solar farm in
0:14:56.800,0:15:02.160
your area. There's really no catch and no reason people shouldn't be signing up for them in the
0:15:02.160,0:15:07.520
areas that they're available in. And then we're seeing people take control over the energy that
0:15:07.520,0:15:12.160
they're using. I think that um we're almost at at an inflection point where most homes in
0:15:12.160,0:15:17.360
America have a smart thermostat. So people are able to control when their thermostat is set
0:15:17.360,0:15:24.960
at what temperature. Um and that's a huge way to save energy. Um and as well as things like smart
0:15:24.960,0:15:30.000
plugs and smart devices just helping control the amount of energy that people are using if
0:15:30.000,0:15:34.960
they can't control the rate that they're paying for that energy. So again, another reason for
0:15:34.960,0:15:42.320
optimism as these technologies evolve and become easier to use and more accessible to to everyday
0:15:42.320,0:15:49.520
user. I love that we're focusing on optimism. How does the experience on electricity rates actually
0:15:49.520,0:15:55.040
work behind the scenes to help people make a confident choice? Yeah, definitely. So ingest
0:15:55.040,0:16:03.280
thousands of live energy rates every day and then display them to customers in a easy to digest and
0:16:03.280,0:16:09.680
more importantly a nonpushy way. So our our entire goal is transparency. If if you want to sign up
0:16:09.680,0:16:15.040
for a new rate that's better than the one that you're currently paying then go for it. If not
0:16:15.040,0:16:22.800
then we're not like a telemarketer or a doortodoor salesperson that is kind of forcing you to make a
0:16:22.800,0:16:29.600
decision. So, we value trust and transparency and relationships over getting an immediate sort of
0:16:29.600,0:16:34.720
transaction or somebody to sign up for an energy plan on our site. Um, and as a result, that that's
0:16:34.720,0:16:41.600
kind of helped us grow and become a um a trusted source in our industry. Now, you're seeing shifts
0:16:41.600,0:16:46.800
in how consumers evaluate renewable or green energy options, and what does that mean for your
0:16:46.800,0:16:54.240
platform's roadmap? Yeah. So, we do have specific green energy plans on our site which are backed by
0:16:54.240,0:16:58.880
something called a renewable energy certificate. So, you still get the same energy to your house.
0:16:58.880,0:17:04.800
You were just helping offset some of the carbon um component on the grid when you do sign up for
0:17:04.800,0:17:12.000
one of those plans. It's a small set of customers that go for those specifically primarily due to
0:17:12.000,0:17:17.440
them being a little more expensive than standard energy plans. What we are seeing though are some
0:17:17.440,0:17:25.040
of our providers like Rhythm Energy and Inspire Clean Energy is that their entire business model
0:17:25.040,0:17:30.800
is predicated on offering cleaner um cleaner energy options to consumers. So we're seeing it
0:17:30.800,0:17:36.480
we're seeing it appear more so in in the branding through our partners and the way that they procure
0:17:36.480,0:17:41.600
their energy products instead of like very specific things that customers are seeking out.
0:17:41.600,0:17:46.960
And then the community solar piece is huge. people love that they can save a certain percentage no
0:17:46.960,0:17:52.800
matter what on their bill every month and that it comes from community solar. So that's um I
0:17:52.800,0:18:01.520
think a huge emerging um emerging factor in the industry as well. We had couple of community solar
0:18:01.520,0:18:08.000
representatives here on the podcast. So I'm glad to hear that field is blooming. That's also on the
0:18:08.000,0:18:13.840
on the optimistic side of this conversation. So when I was prepping for this interview,
0:18:13.840,0:18:20.160
I saw that you said that electricity rate was built by people who love both marketing and tech.
0:18:20.160,0:18:26.000
So how has that DNA shaped the way you think about growth, trust and user experience? Yeah,
0:18:26.000,0:18:32.080
definitely. So like I had mentioned, we were sort of born out of marketing and technology
0:18:32.080,0:18:36.640
nerds that were looking for an industry in need of a little bit of disruption. and we found it
0:18:36.640,0:18:43.760
in the retail energy space a little over a decade ago. And what I like to think that that gives us
0:18:43.760,0:18:49.200
a little bit of an advantage of in our industry is that we're constantly looking at what other
0:18:49.200,0:18:55.520
industries are doing and what other technologies are available in order to be on the bleeding edge
0:18:55.520,0:19:02.560
and integrating it. So like leveraging AI to help digest these massive amounts of like energy data
0:19:02.560,0:19:09.440
and energy contracts and pricing information and then distilling that into very digestible
0:19:09.440,0:19:16.560
and understandable content and messaging that our users can relate to. as well as just always being
0:19:16.560,0:19:24.560
on the lookout for like, hey, is there an industry like insurance or credit cards or whatever that
0:19:24.560,0:19:29.600
is doing something really cool from a technology standpoint that even though um the energy industry
0:19:29.600,0:19:34.560
is usually a little behind, we can help bring it forward um help bring it forward a little bit. So,
0:19:34.560,0:19:39.280
just constantly out there thinking about how we can take things that other extremely like cutting
0:19:39.280,0:19:43.920
edge technologies are doing and applying them to our vision. Yeah. talking about bringing this
0:19:43.920,0:19:49.680
whole story forward. What exc what's exciting you most about the next chapter whether in consumer
0:19:49.680,0:19:55.520
behavior, product evolution, energy industry? Yeah. So from a consumer behavior standpoint,
0:19:55.520,0:20:02.480
there is a lot of discourse about energy. Like I said, we had gone from sort of a passive consumer
0:20:02.480,0:20:07.200
that got their bill once a month, sent a check, went on with their lives to people that are on
0:20:07.200,0:20:13.520
social media and talking to their representatives and reading content on ElectricityRates.com and
0:20:13.520,0:20:20.000
extremely interested in their options. And I think that what that's going to do is drive companies to
0:20:20.000,0:20:26.480
innovate and meet the needs of these customers that in the past like either weren't aware or
0:20:26.480,0:20:33.520
weren't educated. So markets continuing to grow. I think that all of this activity is causing things
0:20:33.520,0:20:38.960
like innovation and new technology um in addition to some of the some of the macro factors that we
0:20:38.960,0:20:45.120
discussed. So it's it's rather chaotic at the moment, but also exciting for a company like
0:20:45.120,0:20:50.640
ours that's able to be nimble and flexible and kind of go where the market's taking us. And for
0:20:50.640,0:20:58.000
our audience who just got interested about your story, where can they hear more or maybe explore
0:20:58.000,0:21:06.400
your product? Yeah, definitely. So, electricity rates.com is our our primary website and you can
0:21:06.400,0:21:11.760
go there and if you're in an energy choice area, enter your zip code and see live rates in your
0:21:11.760,0:21:18.160
area. There's also a wealth of knowledge. Um, I think we cover local energy options in almost
0:21:18.160,0:21:22.960
every area of the country and there's a lot of things that you can learn from our site and from
0:21:22.960,0:21:29.200
engaging with us. Well, thank you, Adam. This has been interesting and useful. So, yeah, thanks you
0:21:29.200,0:21:40.360
once again for being my guest here on the Green Perspective podcast. Thank you, Dunja.