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Did you know that one of the most important parts of your car, mobile phone, or medical
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device is the one you never see? Tune in to this podcast episode to find out what
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I'm talking about and how this tiny piece of metal powers the tech we use daily.
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Hello friends, you are watching or listening depending on the platform of your choice. brand
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new episode of the green new perspective podcast. Hopefully your go-to place when you want to learn
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about innovative technologies shaping our world and our future and discover marketing strategies
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that are helping these innovative companies to grow. My guest today is Nicole Kangos
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from Snaptron, a Colorado-based company that is producing tactile dome switches for 35 years now.
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So stay tuned to learn what dome switches are if you don't already know and discover how the
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small US-based company is going head-to-head with global giants, why trust and speed set them apart,
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and how this tiny component is actually shaping the way we use technology every day.
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Enjoy the conversation. Hey Nicole, welcome to the Green New Perspective
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podcast. Great to have you here. Thanks. I'm happy to be here. So for starters, can you give
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us a let's say quick introduction to Snaptron, what the company does, what the problem you're
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ultimately solving for your customers, and can you introduce yourself and share a bit about your
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career path in marketing? Yeah, I can. Um, I'll start with the company first. Um, so Snaptron is
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a local manufacturer. We manufacture what's called a tactile dome switch. It's a product
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that you've probably interacted with already multiple times today and you don't even know it.
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It's in everything from consumer um electronics to more critical like applications like an aviation
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cockpit panel for example. So essentially what it is is um a switch um in the tactile switch market
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a niche part of that product called a dome switch. It's a stain stainless steel piece of metal that
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when you press it actuates and it's in like I mentioned all kinds of of applications. So we're
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very lucky to work in many industries and spaces all across different um sectors. So we typically
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work closely with engineers usually a mechanical or design or product engineer is our bigger
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segment of customers all across the world. So the company's been around for over 35 years now.
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It was started kind of out of a garage and and from a man at the time who was working
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for a similar manufacturer, metal stamper, who was making this part and decided that they were going
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to offshore the manufacturing and he didn't agree with the direction the company was going. So, he
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figured out how to make the part in his garage and decided, I'm going to keep the manufacturing local
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and keep the material and, you know, really high quality and the product a high quality product
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instead of offshoring it. And still to this day, we manufacture a small facility in uh Windsor,
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Colorado, which is about an hour north of Denver. And um 100% of our manufacturing is done there.
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Our steel is sourced in the US as well. So we we you know can say that our product is made in the
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USA. Um I know a big topic right now for things that are going on globally and supply chain. But
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yeah, so that's a little bit about the company and um kind of what we do, who we serve. And I
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think what you know really makes us unique is our ability to first off we have the widest
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breath of product in this kind of space available on the market from a standard perspective and then
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customwise we can make and turn around products very quickly due to our manufacturing process. So
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know we can turn custom designs for an engineer in four to six weeks way faster than you know
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any of our competitors on the market. Um so it's a really you know high quality product. It's not the
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cheapest on the market. We've been told we are the Kleenex of uh this this category of dome switches
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and you know we we like that uh categorization of us. But yeah, anyways and then I'm I'm Nicole
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Kangos. I've been at the company for about six years, director of marketing there. I I didn't
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have a really traditional path into marketing at all. I uh got my degree in international relations
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and found my way into marketing over the course of my you know 10 years or so that I've been in the
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field now. Always in the kind of B2B space and I used to previously work in agriculture and really
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um found a nice home in manufacturing that had a lot of synergy in that space as well
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and you know really love manufacturing and the community around it. It's been a really
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rewarding career path. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. We have a small company. We're only about
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um 80 employees and you know everyone um wears a lot of hats um including you know
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me. I can relate to that. Yeah. You mentioned that Snaptron has been around for over 20 35 35 years,
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right? So how does the company's origin story that you've just told us still shape how you approach
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the innovation today? Yes. So there's still a very heavy um engineering presence and I think
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engineering is the center star for us and how we kind of conduct ourselves and do everything. It
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allows us to be very innovative and agile in our approach. And I think what's so nice about some of
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that origin and and you know what the original intention was and starting the company really
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still exists today which is to be very customer centric. And I know that's kind of a a trendy
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term now, but they really do mean that when they say that, even if it means um steering a customer
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away from a solution that just doesn't fit, you know, because it's so important to us to build the
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relationship and the rapport with our engineers and our customer base, that even if that means,
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you know what, we don't think that this product actually is the right fit for you. We would
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recommend going to something else, you know. But we found that that business comes back to us 5 10
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years later and we're fine with that. So it's it's really important to to build trust and rapport and
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I love that about the company. It makes my my job easier in my messaging and everything when we can
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really confidently say that we will support you. Um and it's a value we add early on and
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you know the process of sourcing a part like ours. I mean it definitely helps that Snaptron
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has developed products that are award-winning. You are recognized at the Elektra Awards. So,
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can we explain to our audience what the Electra Awards are and what role does marketing play in
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helping technical innovation read reach this wider visibility? Yeah, the Elektra Awards um is kind of
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a an industry specific award I'd say in electronic space. So, most people that would work in
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electronics would know of it. It's run by a pretty well-known magazine in the space and it's a pretty
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prestigious award ceremony held in London every year and it looks at all the different innovation
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going on in the electronic space through different categories. So, uh I think it was back in 2023 or
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yeah I believe we entered our a new line we had released which has taken us a long time
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to develop and many many hours. It's called a um a surface mount switch essentially which you know is
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common in a lot of parts. You know C contract manufacturers use surface mount technology
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constantly. It helps speed up the manufacturing process. But one of the barriers in our product
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line had always been that there wasn't a good solution and way to mount our part through surface
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mount technology. And so we developed a line after many years of developing and troubleshooting and
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R&D efforts. this innovative approach to be able to service mount our switches right on the PCB
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board and that has really just changed the uh the cost savings to our customers so they can
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manufacture this part in line just like any other part. So that that award was you know a wonderful
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recognition for the efforts our team had put into the product for so many years. And what was even
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cooler about it was that we were, you know, up against uh bigger bigger electronic manufacturing
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companies like Panasonic in our specific category for the passive electro mechanical award and you
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know beat them out and you know it was a it was kind of a surreal experience to be there and
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it was just me that they sent to London. and we weren't sure what what it entailed and if we were
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going to win or not. And to walk by many tables of people with their whole teams at Panasonic
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and and other companies like that to be a small manufacturer, American manufacturer win that,
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you know, award was was really prestigious and a big testament to all the hard work our team
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has put into a product like that. So you won the manufacturing Oscar basically. Yes. Another thing
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that I found interesting when I was researching the company is that you have even developed your
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own house testing equipment, the sapphire machine, which as far as I understood measures the feel
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and performance of the switches. So why was it important to to build that internally and how
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does it give you an edge on the market? Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a great question. So two
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things there. I think we have this one. We have a really interesting challenge in our space because
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we're so niche that we have a hard time buying equipment that fits our needs. So, we wind up
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having to develop a lot of our machinery in inhouse. And that machine too then and that
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machine in particular was designed inhouse. This actually the third rendition of that machine. So,
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it's gone over many iterations and improved um over the years. But essentially, we, you know,
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how hard um a switch feels when you press it. You know, think if you're wearing gloves,
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for example. Maybe um you know, maybe you're a soldier and you're wearing a glove and you
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need to press a button on a walkie-talkie. How do you do that? Can you feel the feedback? You know,
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all that's really important. And it's things that product designers and engineers get to think
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about on the component level. And we can really customize that solution based on that data. Right?
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So we use that data to say this is exactly how much force it takes to actuate this dome. And then
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we can give that data to our customers. They can then also test once their assembly is complete.
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say their product now has a button on top of it and other factors in the application. Does that
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switch still feel like it's intended to feel? So that's what that you know that machine we use in
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house in our quality QC process but we also sell it as well to our customers. Manufacturing is
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often seen as slowm moving. So how do you maintain agility in product development? Yeah, it is slowm
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moving um in some ways but we tend to bring three to four products to market. Um you know that might
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be not the standard for a lot of manufacturers but because of our methods we you know we can
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really adapt and develop something pretty quickly through our tooling process and our agility. You
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know we have a small team of engineers. They touch on everything you know from software to
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controls to electrical mechanical engineering and we have to work fast and lean and we have
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to touch many different you know departments and such. So to be able to have a small team
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is sometimes at an advantage. You know there's not a lot of intake to go through. you can talk to the
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director of engineering at any time and and he's very accessible um and you make decisions quickly
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with leadership and if we need to buy a machine you know we can get an answer about that the same
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day if we need to add new material and get new material our procurement team can answer that
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fast right so sometimes there is an advantage to being able to launch products uh fast with
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a small team like ours that I think you wouldn't necessarily see in a bigger facility ility, which
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is a really cool thing about working for a small manufacturer um that often gets overlooked. Well,
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talking about agility, innovation, and changes, you've led Snaptron's first rebrand in decades. So,
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what's been the most surprising long-term impact of of that effort? Yeah, thanks for bringing that
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up. Yeah, it's the brand is really strong. You know, when I came in, manufacturers don't often
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think about brand a lot. They are concerned about quality and customer needs and manufacturability.
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But that being said, they had such a strong reputation. You know, as a matter of fact,
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actually our product name Tactile Dome Switch is not very well known. So people actually knew
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our bra brand name Snaptron and Synomous with our product category. Kind of like earlier like I said
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about Kleenex in a similar kind of fashion. So, you know, I thought we had a really strong brand,
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but the image didn't really match it. So, I saw this really cool opportunity to say, you know,
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where is the brand going? And, you know, is this the right time to do this? And, you know,
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that was a a very well-received effort and we saw huge um increase in direct traffic from doing
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that. We already had pretty strong direct traffic driven to our website just from our brand name
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alone. But once we did the rebrand, you know, we saw that uptick and that's still our number
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one driving source of leads is direct traffic from our website. So, or direct traffic from our brand,
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excuse me. So, you know, it's a it's a pretty powerful indicator. It's kind of hard to know
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sometimes what the indicators are of brand and success, but that's a clear one for us is that
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we've been able to capture more traffic with our brand name and our awareness around our
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brand and marketing highly technical products is tricky. So, what strategies have worked best for
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you when you're trying to connect with say both engineers and procurement teams? Yeah. Yeah. I
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would really recommend any um marketing leader really listen listen to their subject mat matter
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experts their technical experts and their sales team you know are you listening in on customer
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calls do you understand the pain points do you understand I know people you know marketers do
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a lot of buyer persona work and you know there's taking that a step further which is really making
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sure you're getting in front of your customers and listening to their need listening to your sales
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team using that as a a way to catalog information, understand the pains, and then translate that
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into your messaging and your needs. For for me, I actually report to um our our our general manager,
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and he is an engineer. So, it's really wonderful to have such a collaborative relationship with
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an engineer. And I always always run all of my marketing materials through our engineering team.
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And again, that's a unique advantage of working at a small company where I can actually say,
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"I created this technical guide um you know, about adhesives after maybe an interview or something
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with one of my subject matter experts and hey, can you review it and make sure it sounds um accurate?
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Um it's really wonderful to be able to do that." And I think secondly something I've been we've
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been implementing more just in the last couple years has been AI and utilizing AI to develop
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content along feeding it right the appropriate information like we are the experts in this space
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um you know and we have so much information already available to our customers but you
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know we've been able to utilize AI to to develop better content and streamline that process and
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develop it in a way faster way than we ever have been able Before
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You mentioned at the beginning of this conversation that Snaptron sources
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all its deal in the US. So how do you turn that procurement decision into a meaningful brand story
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for customers? That's a great question. In our messaging often throughout our like throughout our
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website in our sales conversation, we definitely use that language that we're made in the US
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um that we're sourced in the US. And right now I think it's a really important indicator because
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it indicates stability and supply chain stability and quality. And we run a very lean and successful
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procurement strategy in our team which has to do with a lot of longestablished trusted
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partnerships with just a few suppliers in the US as well. So it allows us to get product in
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quickly and turn it right around to you. So it's really baked into the way we develop products and
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bring it to our customers and how we manufacture products for our customers. B2B manufacturing,
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you would agree digital visibility can lack. So what worked for Snaptron in building a stronger
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digital presence without this big agency budget? Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a great um question.
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So I think a important first step if manufacturers smallmedium size are are trying to digitize is
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to bring in look at bringing in uh you know a marketing manager or someone who can kind of do
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it all and then build out from there. It's really what Snaptron did. So they brought me on and then
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allowed me to build out a team that helped support the digitization of the marketing strategy.
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And you know typically they had a very strong marketing function just from a sales support
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side but they were missing and not capitalizing on all the opportunities digitally. They always
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had a very strong website. So a lot of the core principles of marketing were in place and being
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done really well. They just really hadn't taken it that step further. So you know immediately
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when I came in you know my first big huge push was content. you know, I I was like, we have so much
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great tribal knowledge in the organization that's not being shared with our customers as a resource.
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And, you know, immediately what we see is, okay, once we start answering those questions, we're
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meeting buyers at different stages and different channels, right? So, maybe they're looking at a
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YouTube demo that we put out there, or maybe they found us through a Reddit forum where we're just
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answering a common question. So we found that they start finding us on all these channels
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that they already are on. So it was really about just meeting them where they are and adapting that
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content per channel, right? Saying what channels are engineers on, how can we make sure that we're
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meeting them there? And that was just magnifying what we've already done, right? And just putting
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it in the right place. So so much of marketing is just about placement, right? Um too. So that's
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what we really capitalize on initially. And you know, I've seen this success over the years. Our
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website is our number one generator of pipeline and continues to be. And what lessons would you
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say you've learned from building this internal buyin for marketing initiatives that are marketers
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in manufacturers? Could Yeah, I think I learned that you have to have buyin from your teams. Uh
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you have to have support. You know, so much of marketing too is internal. Building relationships
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with key departments, making sure they support what you're doing and understand it and the why
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behind it. That's been a huge lesson I think for me early in my career is just how important
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building those relationships are in order for success to happen, right? Because now when I bring
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an idea to the table, I'm heard. And even though I'm young in my career, a lot younger maybe than
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the other directors next to me, you know, I can say that because I've bu taken time to build those
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relationships. And so when I bring a new idea to the table and I say, I want to try this or this
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is what I'm seeing in the market. Think about bringing this product to market. you know, it's
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wellreceived because that trust is already built and and there you know I would highly recommend
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that to any marketer is make sure you have people on your side to support your efforts and make
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sure that you know marketing is from the top down. It's you know everyone from the bottom up and top
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down believes it and uh you are exporting products outside of the US right and some of the countries
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are introducing new carbon reporting rules which affect manufacturers like you of course. So how do
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you prepare for that and how does marketing help share those sustainability efforts with customers
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and on the messaging right? Yeah. So a large portion of our business is not domestic, right?
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It's international and the EU market, European market is a huge portion of that. We um we back in
0:22:13.200,0:22:22.000
maybe 2022, I had an interesting conversation with a prospect in Germany actually was at a trade show
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and you know I was really blown away. His first question to me was not what you do, who you are,
0:22:28.160,0:22:33.680
how does your solution help me. It was how are you helping the environment and how is your company
0:22:33.680,0:22:39.920
minimizing minimizing carbon and emissions and I was absolutely blown away at that time is not a
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question I had ever gotten and it was never that forward and I came back and said wow are we what
0:22:46.560,0:22:52.880
are we doing in this kind of space and we have been doing over the years lots of things to reduce
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emissions it's just smart too right it's smart for any business to look at it and say what can I
0:22:58.080,0:23:02.960
save what can I save my customers. So, we had been already doing that, but we weren't talking about
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it. It was not interjected into our messaging. So, CBAM, I don't know if you're familiar with that,
0:23:08.240,0:23:13.840
is a new regulation that came out of the EU carbon border adjustment mechanism. And it's essentially
0:23:13.840,0:23:21.040
a way for the EU for any importers to, you know, of EU products to the EU saying, hey, you know,
0:23:21.040,0:23:27.600
we are following these strict emissions and carbon taxes. Now, we're going to pass that expense on to
0:23:27.600,0:23:34.720
you. And it's just a way to force manufacturers and importers to adhere to stricter standards and
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to kind of do their due diligence, you know, and for us, we couldn't say, hey, this doesn't work
0:23:39.920,0:23:46.160
for us. We need to say how do we get compliant and how do we do that fast because this um mechanism
0:23:46.160,0:23:52.880
is in place, right? So, you know, it's been a a a journey to get there and even figuring out who can
0:23:52.880,0:23:58.720
support us in the market, you know, who can even do the reporting and help us. to sustain that, you
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know, was a a we had to get, you know, a partner and had to get that all in place. You know,
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we which we have and it's been very fruitful. And what's been wonderful is just to see the data that
0:24:10.880,0:24:17.200
we've gotten back from that. You know, now we can interject that into our messaging. We've created
0:24:17.200,0:24:21.760
like a sustainability report. You know, we can share that information to our customers. we can
0:24:21.760,0:24:26.800
talk about the way we're saving them shipping costs, how we're doing our due diligence with
0:24:26.800,0:24:32.880
recycling programs uh and in include them in that process and we know for a fact that our customers
0:24:32.880,0:24:39.440
value that that that knowledge and that data. So, it's been a very interesting journey and we've
0:24:39.440,0:24:44.800
just recently brought on a partner and are going through the process of measuring our carbon and
0:24:44.800,0:24:50.480
with this global expansion on the horizon, how do you adapt your brand messaging for international
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markets while staying true to what Snapdron is the roots that we were talking about? Yeah,
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that's that's a great question. So, it's always been really important to the leadership at our
0:25:02.240,0:25:10.160
company to have our site be translated into the languages of our customers in different areas,
0:25:10.160,0:25:14.080
which I really appreciate. So, even though we have this very strong, heavy, you know,
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we're Americanmade company, we're made in the US, that's, you know, part of our quality and part of
0:25:19.840,0:25:25.360
what we pass on to you, it also is how do we reach and make sure we're reaching, you know, our bigger
0:25:25.360,0:25:30.720
markets. So you know that's one way we've done that is to make sure our site is translated and
0:25:30.720,0:25:35.280
you know it's it's very technical information. So we had to work with a very good tech you know
0:25:35.280,0:25:41.120
translation partner to make sure that we are speaking correctly to an engineer. It's not
0:25:41.120,0:25:46.800
just some Google translate option for us. So it's been an investment that we've always made in the
0:25:46.800,0:25:52.480
marketing is to make sure that we um have the the right language in place and and I think too
0:25:52.480,0:25:58.800
we you know we look at what are like the like for example sustainability what what things are coming
0:25:58.800,0:26:05.040
from different regions in the world and how do we appeal with our messaging in that way you know are
0:26:05.040,0:26:10.240
we speaking to that audience appropriately so we tend to kind of just say oh how are
0:26:10.240,0:26:16.720
we speaking to engineers well engineers in Europe are different than engineers in the US. You know,
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one way even just recently that we've decided, hey, we need to get better resources to engineers
0:26:22.640,0:26:29.200
in Europe is by we on this essentially like a CAD site. So, our customers can download of our
0:26:29.200,0:26:35.440
parts and footprints and interject them right into their designs at the design process and do that,
0:26:35.440,0:26:39.920
you know, whether they're using a software in Europe or whether they're using a software in
0:26:39.920,0:26:45.120
the US. So just a couple of ways that we've been trying to say, hey, how do we a better appeal
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to all engineers despite where they from and I would say like we were mentioning sustainability
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and how it became a part of your culture. You even partnered with some of the organizations
0:26:55.360,0:27:01.520
to better your efforts, right? And I like on the partnership side, I recently discovered
0:27:01.520,0:27:07.040
that you partnered with Sabré Cook, professional professional race car driver and engineer who was
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the first female driver in the Porsche Carrera Cup North America, right? Yeah. And you also
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hosted events at the Colorado School of Mines. So, what do partnerships like these reveal about
0:27:18.720,0:27:25.680
Snaptron's culture and values? Yeah. Yeah. It's been um a very fruitful partnership with Sabré
0:27:25.680,0:27:32.160
um and her team. So she is actually a mechanical engineer and a race car driver. So there was a
0:27:32.160,0:27:38.160
lot of wonderful synergy in her audience. And you know I'd recommend if anyone in the manufacturing
0:27:38.160,0:27:45.520
space is looking at influencing which is such a new a new thing is to to really look and see who
0:27:45.520,0:27:51.040
who is talking in that space. So Sabré was kind of just a tip of that for us. um her audience
0:27:51.040,0:27:56.240
when you took a look at her data and her audience that actually matched ours which was wonderful to
0:27:56.240,0:28:00.640
see. So we have very similar audiences but we're talking about different things right but it was
0:28:00.640,0:28:05.920
just another way to reach our audience from an entertainment standpoint too right because content
0:28:05.920,0:28:12.160
has to be educational or entertaining especially social media and modern media right so that was
0:28:12.160,0:28:18.240
one way we said you know we can really answer this need by being entertaining and showing our product
0:28:18.240,0:28:24.720
in a really our products in steering wheels it's in cars and automotive applications and we know
0:28:24.720,0:28:30.080
um a lot of engineers are into racing you know, especially F1 and things like that. So,
0:28:30.080,0:28:35.760
we are in a lot of automotive applications, but we were struggling to reach that audience. So, this
0:28:35.760,0:28:41.440
was like a nice way to do that. Racing has been a part of Snaptron's brand for a long time. The
0:28:41.440,0:28:47.440
um owners are really into racing. Um our current owner, Tanya, her daughter actually is starting to
0:28:47.440,0:28:54.400
race in a GTR Cup as well. Um and you know, is a upand cominging race young female race car driver.
0:28:54.400,0:28:59.200
I think part of that has been wonderful is we have so much female leadership in a manufacturing
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company which is pretty unusual in our space. Um you know very much top down coming from our owner
0:29:05.600,0:29:10.720
Tanya and you know promoting women and their careers and supporting that but it's also been
0:29:10.720,0:29:16.560
nice to see it in the partnership side as well. So you know we're promoting female engineers in
0:29:16.560,0:29:21.600
our space and there's so much wonderful synergy in the relationship with those partnerships. So,
0:29:21.600,0:29:26.560
it's just been such a nice match for our brand. We mentioned innovation a couple of times during
0:29:26.560,0:29:31.520
this conversation, but I I wanted to ask you, do you think that there is a place for innovation
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in the marketing space in manufacturing since it's a slowm moving industry and a lot of it
0:29:37.760,0:29:44.480
is let's say unex you know it's a unexplored territory for the marketers. So, yeah. What's
0:29:44.480,0:29:51.200
your experience there? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's I think it's a really exciting space. I
0:29:51.200,0:29:56.320
know it doesn't seem like the flashiest, you know, career path for marketing and a place
0:29:56.320,0:30:01.280
that people don't think they'll end up, but, you know, there's so much opportunity to be creative
0:30:01.280,0:30:07.840
in the manufacturing space and this industry is hungry for it. So, it's hungry for the talent.
0:30:07.840,0:30:13.760
It needs a talent and so that allows for so much flexibility in the strategy, right? And like I
0:30:13.760,0:30:18.240
was just saying to you earlier, you know, one ways that we've been able to do that and support that
0:30:18.240,0:30:24.320
is look at influencing. Uh, you know, so just even recently in our strategy, we've decided, hey, how
0:30:24.320,0:30:29.120
can we work with influencers and not just someone really cool and flashy like a race car driver,
0:30:29.120,0:30:36.080
but an engineer who um, you know, has an excellent following on YouTube and is building products
0:30:36.080,0:30:41.280
live, right? You know, that is our audience right there. They're watching those builds.
0:30:41.280,0:30:46.960
Um, so we're asking ourselves, how do we get into that? How do we get in front of an engineer? Well,
0:30:46.960,0:30:52.320
that's a really easy way to do it is, hey, can we support your build? Can we give you product
0:30:52.320,0:30:56.320
and we'd be happy to build, you know, have you build our product right into yours and,
0:30:56.320,0:31:01.200
you know, we'll pay for it. And by the way, that's great exposure. say that example is it's
0:31:01.200,0:31:09.280
just a wonderful you know sector to explore and test out these kind of new ideas and strategies
0:31:09.280,0:31:15.520
that maybe are more you know have already taken hold and BT to see for years and years but they
0:31:15.520,0:31:22.080
haven't yet taken hold in this space and it's a really cool opportunity for someone who's young
0:31:22.080,0:31:27.760
and ambitious to be able to grow in their career and support a really cool creative approach to
0:31:27.760,0:31:32.960
marketing and a strategy And I in my experience it's been really well received by my leadership.
0:31:32.960,0:31:37.280
So you know I can't speak to everyone's but I think you know like I said earlier in the
0:31:37.280,0:31:42.240
conversation if you build that rapport and those relationships and you listen and just listen
0:31:42.240,0:31:48.720
and listen and listen first and then you can you know take that relationship to the next step with
0:31:48.720,0:31:54.320
something you know of like hey I want to launch like an influencer program. Are you okay with
0:31:54.320,0:31:59.520
that? You know and my team's like yes go for it. And looking more broadly at the US manufacturing,
0:31:59.520,0:32:05.040
how do you see the role of marketing and evolving over the next five years and what do you think
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unique challenges or opportunities are company companies going to face in in this space? Yeah.
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Uh I think hiring is going to be a big one. So workforce right attracting talent is so
0:32:18.640,0:32:23.680
important. It's you know why we've been trying to do a bit more efforts on the university level like
0:32:23.680,0:32:28.880
you mentioned earlier with the School of Mines. We're not small and mediumsiz manufacturers in
0:32:28.880,0:32:36.640
the US are not so well known. They're hard to find even. I I I think that's going to be a big
0:32:36.640,0:32:42.320
challenge to get the right talent, especially from a marketing side, especially from a skilled worker
0:32:42.320,0:32:47.040
and labor side as well. We're seeing that, but you know, that's going to continue to be a challenge.
0:32:47.040,0:32:52.480
So how do you position yourselves to make sure you're attracting young talent, make sure you're
0:32:52.480,0:32:57.280
even known, you know, and we've just done that with these kind of outreach to universities. So,
0:32:57.280,0:33:02.480
we're getting our engineers to be speaking at universities and talking to students. just even
0:33:02.480,0:33:07.440
saying um you know recently I just spoke with the society women engineers on a panel at school of
0:33:07.440,0:33:14.160
minds and hey we're out here hey this is a career path and interestingly enough even if you are an
0:33:14.160,0:33:19.840
engineer this is also another alternative you know you could be a sales engineer or you could work in
0:33:19.840,0:33:25.280
marketing as an engineer you can write technical content there's a huge need for that so you know
0:33:25.280,0:33:29.760
I kind of see the challenge being mostly there and then I think the other big thing is we're
0:33:29.760,0:33:37.520
just going to see this big shift to digitizing and tools and digital tools including AI. Um,
0:33:37.520,0:33:43.200
and I do wonder if that will help alleviate some of this need for labor to some degree because
0:33:43.200,0:33:49.680
there is this big gap happening right now in the industry. And I do wonder if AI can be that,
0:33:49.680,0:33:54.320
you know, solution for it because all of a sudden you might not need, you know,
0:33:54.320,0:33:59.520
um, a fivep person marketing team. Maybe you can get away with three and that investment is
0:33:59.520,0:34:04.720
a lot easier for a manufacturer, small to medium manufacturer to swallow. And for our audience who
0:34:04.720,0:34:10.480
want to explore Snaptron more, what should they do? Your website, how they can they can reach
0:34:10.480,0:34:16.320
out. Maybe you have some other channels, Discord, maybe LinkedIn, maybe YouTube. Yeah, we we are
0:34:16.320,0:34:22.080
on them all. We have a very robust social media manager who makes sure we're on all channels, so
0:34:22.080,0:34:26.160
you can find us in numerous ways. is I think the website is a great starting point if you want to
0:34:26.160,0:34:31.440
learn more about our product and our category. Um, but you can also find us on YouTube, see some more
0:34:31.440,0:34:36.880
of our insides or you know insider manufacturing facility, see our processes, learn more about our
0:34:36.880,0:34:41.680
products is a great way to start too if if you prefer video and then LinkedIn's always
0:34:41.680,0:34:47.440
um, you know, a great option. Our team is pretty active on LinkedIn. Our sales team is as well. So
0:34:47.440,0:34:53.040
you know that's a great way to start conversations with us as well. Yeah, guys, you can start by
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congratulating on their Oscar for manufacturing. Well, Nicole, thank you for being my guest here
0:35:00.240,0:35:08.440
on the Green New Perspective podcast. Thank you so much. I really appreciate the opportunity.