Discover how ClearDrop simplifies plastic recycling at home, turning waste into manageable, recyclable blocks with innovative pre-recycling appliances.
About this episode
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You rinse the bottle, sort the plastics, and feel a bit better about it, but here is
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the uncomfortable truth. What happens between your home and recycling plant is often messy,
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uncertain, and out of your control because recycling as we know it today mostly doesn't work.
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So, in this episode we are going to talk about it,
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how recycling really works, and what we can do to make it better.
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Hello, hello friends. You are watching what? A brand new episode of the Green New Perspective
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podcast, your favorite place on the internet where you can learn about innovative technologies that
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are shaping our future and discover marketing strategies that are helping these
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innovative companies to grow. My guest today is Ivan Arbouzov, a lifelong inventor who started
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his career at optics and engineering before turning to solving the plastic waste issue.
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He now runs a company called Cleardrop. They are designing smart household appliances
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that are making pre-recycling possible, which is preparing materials so they can actually
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be recycled. This is a simple but a radical idea. So, instead of us relying on global recycling
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systems that usually don't really work, we can prepare materials for recycling at home.
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And so, in this episode we are going to talk about why Ivan made this career shift,
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uh what are some of the most common misconceptions when we talk about recycling,
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and how he envisions a future where waste becomes a design challenge, not just an environmental one.
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So, enjoy the conversation.
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Ivan, welcome to the Green New Perspective podcast. Yeah, thanks so much for inviting me.
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My pleasure to be here. So, can you start by telling us a bit about your background and what
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led you to focus on solving the plastic waste problem? I guess that's the topic that we're
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dedicating this episode to. Well, you know, I'm one of those people who started his um
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time in business and doing business pretty early in my life, and my previous success was based
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on creating new products in totally different field. It was basically optics and electronics.
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Many people ask me if I have this specific background. I don't, but it just so happened
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that I invented quite a few products in my life, and I was lucky enough to have very good partners,
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and our previous company became quite successful in the field of optics and electronics, namely
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thermal imaging, night vision equipment, and so on. But then eventually I realized that um with
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all the effort and and wonderful things we made, uh we didn't make a huge impact on how we live.
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And I figured that um since we achieved certain success, it's a good time for us to uh or for
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me personally to consider making an impact on something very significant. And environment and
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uh is very important for every one of us, and that's why I switched to that particular category.
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And when you first started thinking about Cleardrop, what was the vision you had for
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the kind of impact you wanted to make? Well, you know, I wanted to make sure that part of of the
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category where we individually handle uh different things from home. You know, we unfortunately,
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the way we live right now, we generate incredible amount of waste, and this waste has is related to
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items that are very difficult to process, such as materials that were created in the past century.
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And um so, I want to start from from home, where we actually uh generate the waste that we need to
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pro- uh to further process. And as somebody who created uh items and products for people to use
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uh individually, and that's where I started. I I decided to create new industry of pre-recycling,
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um some appliances and systems that we have at home that prepare everything that we don't
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want anymore for further processing. So, at the end of the day, where will be nothing
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coming out that will be trash and end up in the landfill or flying around our streets.
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So, you are as far as I know, your appliances are recycling or pre-recycling soft plastics, right?
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So, for for our audience who are not familiar what soft plastic is, can you tell us? And are they an
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issue in the US? Yeah, it's a huge issue and and basically around the world, in the United States
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as well. Um and um the soft plastic compactor is one of our leading systems that we're introducing
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to market right now. Uh we we saw it as one of the major problems, but uh Cleardrop, of course,
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is going to expand uh our and development into all kind of different categories of of waste
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that we deal with. You know, from practical standpoint, I I tend not to scare people. I
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think we have a lot of pressure from media, from everywhere. We all know that we're in trouble,
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that there, you know, hundreds of thousands of tons of things being wasted, poisoning us, and so
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on. Microplastics all over the place. But really, to see what happens, you don't need to go very
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far. Step outside your home, and I'll give you few minutes before you see some kind of plastic bag or
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a part of film flying around in the wind. That's why we started with this first,
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because it's such a big problem, and nobody really wants to deal with it. You said that you're not
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someone who started in this industry. So, can you tell me what's your perspective on what are the
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biggest misconception people have about recycling soft plastics today? Well, I think that people
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uh really don't realize that they they are quite recyclable. And we see um on our on
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our recycling bin and they don't put our plastic bags in there, and and and oftentimes there are
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kind of signs that it's not recyclable. We all need to understand that these signs basically
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indicate that this cannot be recycled by recyclers that we're dealing with. Or in the shape and form
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that you're putting into this bin. Soft plastics, they they call them film in industry, in recycling
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industry. Soft plastics are called film. Quite recyclable. It's reasonably desirable material,
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but it has to be delivered and has to be processed correctly. And that's where pre-recycling comes
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in. If we don't prepare it for further recycling, it becomes a nuisance for for most of the um
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companies um that it clogs the system, and it's like everybody hates it at the end. But if we
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prepare it correctly, we we can recycle pretty much almost 100% of it. Yeah, you're right.
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When I'm thinking about plastic recycling, we usually get the information that we should recycle
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bottles, plastic cups, things like that. But what do you What material do you get by recycling
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soft plastics? Well, let's just let's remember that most of the stuff that is in hard plastic
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uh also comes in soft plastic. Obviously, there are different materials. Is it PET?
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Is not not one of them, for instance. That's material that is used to make bottles, per se.
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But when you think about different trays and and and and boxes and whatever else,
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they are made out of polyethylene, for instance. Polyethylene is used very widely in soft plastic,
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and that could be it's just a matter of durometer. It could be used in hard
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plastic as well. If we recycle soft one, we can we can do all kind of different things um
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and utilize the same material. There are different ways of recycling, starting with
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mechanical recycling where you basically grind the material, and it's added to other materials
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to make something, and that don't have to be soft. Currently, for instance, what we recycle,
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you could find in uh outdoor furniture, flooring, and so on. It's part of that. Um but it could can
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also go to um chemical recycling, where it's separated into basic material, and it almost
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becomes something similar to oil, and then it can be processed further into whatever else
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you might need. Yeah, from my experience, people are surprised when they hear that, for example,
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plastic bottle or a bag can become a piece of clothing or a carpet or a mop for your house, cuz
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they're imagining that plastic bottle is recycled into another plastic bottle. Like, that's the
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And you know, the bottle and PET plastic is a bit different story because PET
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can be recycled multiple times, and especially if you add to it a little bit of chemicals that
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stabilize it. So, and that's fantastic, but uh at the end of the day, this is
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let's just remember where it all came from. There there's no source of plastic besides oil. The
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chemical process of that uh uh generates all kind of different combinations,
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and that's why you know, our grand grandparents never knew anything about Well, maybe a little bit
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further back down there. But nonetheless, they they had no access to whatsoever until chemist
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chemical industry got to certain level. Um but we can always turn it back into where it was.
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Well, you live both in the US and Europe. What differences do you see? I mean, Europe is a large
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continent with plenty of countries, but let's say that we are talking about positive examples here.
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What differences do you see uh between how these regions approach recycling? Right.
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Well, Europeans are uh first of all, Europe is quite diverse. Yeah. And so overall
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European Union and just countries in Europe, they are quite aware of necessity for recycling.
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I think that these countries are a little bit more compact than US in certain ways, even just
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psychologically. And I think Europeans are a bit more prepared or they they're used to recycling
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uh compared to US. But US is also very diverse. There are cities in the United States that
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recycle all the time and and work really hard on saving the environment. And there are places in
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the United States where people are just not there up to it so far. But I'll tell you one thing,
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you know, I've been in business for over 30 years. And I've seen a lot of trade shows.
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I met with a lot of people with different products. What we have with Cleardrop never
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could be compared to anything else we've had before. People really know that they need it.
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And we know they need it. We're not doing it just like for profits or somehow enriching ourselves.
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We're doing it because we must. We really must change our ways and everybody's told, "Let's do
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something." And nobody's giving solutions. And we are having to offer is very simple,
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very straightforward, but conceptually I think this is one of the solutions to a
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big big problem we're dealing with. I think that now is the perfect moment to give us a short demo
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on on what soft plastic compactor is and what it does, right? Absolutely. Well, you know, um
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this is uh you know, I'm sitting like this and looks like it's bigger. Perhaps it is. It's not
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the size of a refrigerator, let me put it that way. If I stand up, you won't see my head. But uh
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Let me just explain to you something that like we have a some like small piece of plastic like this.
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Uh I mean, even if you bring it somewhere to um uh place and they luckily for us
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recycled it in a some kind trustworthy way. Most likely this piece of plastic will be blown away
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by wind. Because it's really hard to grab. It's It's difficult to uh keep hold in place.
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So, one of the first problems we were solving with with our compactor is just making sure that those
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things don't fly around anymore. Now, the second one is to make sure that they're when we transport
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them uh not making us drive back and forth with this amazing amount of fluff that weighs nothing.
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And then when we we deposit it into recycling system, which is basically initially it's not
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so complicated. It's just a belt on which you put things. And then it grinds it into small pieces.
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So, we want to make sure that this belt transporting something that can be grinded
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and doesn't get stuck and so on. But it all starts with the question, where to put it?
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Now, many of us put it in a big bag and we just create this huge bag in our home
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that would then weighs nothing and we carry it to some store that hopefully will pick it up.
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Um a lot of things that will not be delivered to where it goes. Now, in our situation, this
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system is designed for everybody. Not for anybody who is only uh willing to bend over backwards to
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recycle plastic. It's very simple. You have small piece of plastic. And what you do is uh
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you just go like this. Every time you don't need it, you go like this and disappears from your
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eyesight. And everything from small to big you know, I will have a all different types. You know,
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this one is from, you know, I ate some fish so I can I just go like this and it's gone.
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And that's it. Every time you dispose of some you know, you don't need some packaging anymore, soft
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plastic packaging, you just put it in there. And that takes you a while. You just kind of you know
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where to put it, you forget about it, that's it. It doesn't take any more space. After a while and
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on average of about a month, uh this comes out. I cannot do the process for you because it would
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take us forever to actually have it all going back and forth. But that's what comes out of it. This
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is what soft plastic compactor does. This is more than a month of my plastic in family that we used.
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Every single little wrapper and little pieces of this and that now in much more tangible form.
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Now, we know for a fact, no matter how far we throw it around and so on, it's not going
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to fall apart and it definitely will not fly around. Every single shred of it is now grounded.
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It weighs roughly 3 lb. Mine is probably a little bit heavier. And now it makes sense transport it.
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And then if we put it on the belt in our recycling facility, it just go right in, never flies around
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and it's clean. You know, when when you put it even if you put it in some other container,
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it generates you know, it collects dust, sand, dirt and all that. In our home situation,
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it's not so difficult to put reasonably clean plastic in the machine. And that's what comes out.
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For me, it's a great reward to feel that you know, I did not pollute for this month
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at all. It's not happening. We stopped this from happening. That's pretty much what the SPC does,
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our soft plastic compactor. And what if you want to recycle, let's say a food wrapper?
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Do we wash it first and then put it in the compactor? Yeah, ideally, I mean,
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it's a matter of habit. Mhm. It's It's better to wash it a little bit. You don't want to have One
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of the things about it is this system here, if you want to leave your chicken bone in there,
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it's just not going to go. Uh and this is one of the problems that some of the companies that had
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Basically, some companies would give you a bag and say, "Okay, put this plastic in there."
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Uh and we will pick it up. And this is wonderful that they were trying to do this. The only problem
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with it, a lot of people put very wrong things in it. To expect everybody, not because they have any
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ill intent. It's just we are forgetful. We you know, we're not thinking about this or honestly,
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we are lazy sometimes. So, what we need to do, we have that little machine that will tell us it's
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not going to happen. It's not very complicated. It just only takes soft plastic in it.
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You cannot put anything big in it. And if you put something that will eventually start smelling
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like organics inside, you're not doing any favors for yourself in particular. You know, um because
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it might smell after a month of sitting there. And and obviously, those people who are dedicated
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enough to have the system hopefully will take care of that.
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So, what we're getting as a result of using this uh technology is we're getting this material. We
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are pre-recycling, right? We're getting these materials that we need to send to recycling
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facilities. How do you ensure that compacted plastics actually reach the appropriate recycling
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facilities? Or is that on the on the users? No, of course it's not on the users. I mean,
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honestly, when we started developing our system we almost did it simultaneously with working
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with recycling community. Obviously, we had to answer questions, will it be recycled in
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the first place? You know, what are we going to do with it and so on. We do We're doing it for a
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very serious purpose of making sure that it's going to be processed. And in our day and age,
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I think the public often mistrusts what happens to what they put in the recycling bin. To avoid
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this situation, we actually created our own stream at the moment just to make sure that this is going
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to go to where it's supposed to go and that 100% of your recycling happens. We, together
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with the system, you get uh the bags. You put it in the bag and leave it by your mailbox. And
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uh our wonderful US Postal Service will pick it up and deliver it straight to our recycling facility.
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And it goes straight into recycling together with the bag. It doesn't have to be opened. It just
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goes straight into system and that's recycled. I mean, this is our purpose. This is why we're here.
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If we didn't deliver it or we delivered it in some kind of faulty wishy-washy way
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we wouldn't be here at all. I mean, this is really mission-driven company. And you had mentioned that
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there is a huge demand for the machine. Who do you see as the earliest adopters of the technology?
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Well, I have to say and you know, it's just in all honesty, um initially, it's not
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My goal had been always to make the machine as as inexpensive as possible. Available to everybody.
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It's where people just find ease in it. At the moment, our early adopters uh people who still
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are quite dedicated and committed to recycling, to saving the planet, and so on. As we all know,
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this is not 100% of population on equal level. But there's amazing number of people who feel very
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strongly about this. I mean I Yeah, I mentioned to you many years of being in business and so on.
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People I met at trade shows and different events where we meet them they put tears to my eyes. I
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mean, seriously. Because I felt so much reward in in fact that we're providing them with the
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solution that truly works. And uh those people who feel that strongly are first customers.
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And what is their feedback? Well, so far so good. You know, uh at the end of the day,
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it's not very complicated system. You know, sometimes I I tell my friends and my colleagues,
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I say, "Look, guys, if somebody else did it um maybe I would just choose a different time,
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you know, different things I would do. I I did you know, uh maybe I'd focus on personal
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life or something else. Uh family perhaps, which I try to do anyway. But nonetheless
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we just need to come up with things that will solve our problem. And we don't have too much
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time. Everybody's under huge pressure. When we talk about marketing, marketing perspective,
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if we want this product product to reach people who are not that enthusiastic about
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sustainability in the first place, what do you think could be the most effective communication
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effort to to get to those people to understand and care about the things that you're building here.
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Well, you know, um as as in many ways, you know, in society society is is a machine that
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obviously thrives on enthusiasm, but also puts some, you know, certain rules into public's life.
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That's something that works for the benefit of society. We cannot afford flammable objects all
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over the place or explosives or something like this, just to give you some crazy example. And
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society cannot live and we cannot survive unless we make sure that we protect our environment.
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So, eventually, I think items like this precycling will become a norm. And as such uh society will
0:22:11.880,0:22:20.160
step in. To go into slightly different level, and there's one uh creature that uh
0:22:21.040,0:22:29.320
sticks into cow. To to uh to start with those uh people, our goal is just to um
0:22:30.080,0:22:36.200
explain to them that it's actually much easier to use it than not. I and just statistically,
0:22:36.200,0:22:42.800
by looking at people I met so far with our product I would only find like fraction of a
0:22:42.800,0:22:48.520
percent of people who are not aware and don't care whatsoever. Very, very few in the whole history
0:22:48.520,0:22:53.840
of my being there. And now our development of like 4 years now, even more than that.
0:22:53.840,0:22:59.040
I only met one person who who said, "Why do you do this if I can put it in the trash, why not?"
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The rest of us, at one level or another, are quite aware And how would you approach
0:23:05.640,0:23:11.480
trust and authenticity in this space? Because people are often skeptical about green claims.
0:23:12.160,0:23:20.080
Well, first of all, uh uh it's being ourselves and being honest with ourselves. We are not a company
0:23:20.080,0:23:25.720
that would like rush into things. Like, you know, we we produce certain quantity. We do but we're
0:23:25.720,0:23:31.560
not making as much as we could simply because we want to make sure everything works very well.
0:23:32.640,0:23:39.480
Uh and also we show people how it actually works. We show them video of what happens to their block
0:23:39.480,0:23:47.000
when it's transported. Uh and um we we're totally open about 100% of everything that's happening.
0:23:48.000,0:23:56.840
Uh it's it's easier in our situation because uh first of all, so far the volume is not absolutely
0:23:56.840,0:24:02.600
tremendous. It's it's it you know, it's growing, but it's not huge. And secondly, as we show every
0:24:02.600,0:24:08.440
single block going somewhere and people can see it, I think that is convincing enough. I mean,
0:24:08.440,0:24:13.560
if anybody wants to just take the block to our facility and see what happens to it
0:24:13.560,0:24:20.000
we'll meet them there. And and we'll be happy One of our guys likes to share dogs with everybody,
0:24:20.000,0:24:24.800
so you guys will. And at the beginning of the the conversation, you mentioned that you are
0:24:24.800,0:24:31.080
broadening the product range. So, what else do you have for us? All right. Well, um you know,
0:24:31.080,0:24:35.360
like I said, our goal is to create solution for everything. But we're not doing it obviously
0:24:35.360,0:24:41.360
just for the sake of creation. We're doing it to solve real problems. And strangely enough,
0:24:41.360,0:24:48.200
one of the biggest problems besides soft plastics is organics. You know, and living in the US,
0:24:48.200,0:24:53.920
uh of course, we all use grinders. Uh but the problem with grinder, it doesn't take everything.
0:24:53.920,0:24:58.840
You know, the industry that makes grinders tries to make a grinder that will basically
0:24:58.840,0:25:03.840
take whatever there is to you know, you can put in there. But there's limit, no matter what.
0:25:04.760,0:25:11.160
And that limit is anything hard and so on. And another kind of part of this conversation is the
0:25:11.160,0:25:20.240
fact that if you put stuff in there it I think the the benefit to environment is quite limited.
0:25:20.240,0:25:24.520
It mixes in together with chemicals, mixes in together with all kind of different things.
0:25:25.480,0:25:32.040
And yet, if we throw away our organics, they create huge impact on greenhouse
0:25:32.040,0:25:37.640
effect, which is like 20% of what's going on with global warming or things like that.
0:25:37.640,0:25:43.040
Now, there are numbers that are quoted I'm always quite skeptical about those numbers. They could be
0:25:43.040,0:25:48.560
more or less, but nonetheless, we can all be very clearly see if something rots, it creates gas.
0:25:49.240,0:25:55.680
So, how do we solve this problem? Uh and our company is not designed and designing products
0:25:55.680,0:26:01.160
at the moment that will immediately turn it into something incredibly useful. As you can see,
0:26:01.160,0:26:07.760
it's kind of, you know, it's it's preparation for further recycling. That's why we call precycling.
0:26:08.560,0:26:14.760
In our organic situation, we call it organics comp or collector. All you do here is
0:26:14.760,0:26:20.920
turn it on and um every time you have something organic, you just drop it in there. And that's it.
0:26:21.680,0:26:28.520
I have it in my kitchen. And you know, I peel an egg or or cut something, I just drop it in there.
0:26:28.520,0:26:34.520
And the difference what between our products and whatever else out there on the market we do not
0:26:34.520,0:26:40.840
claim to have a solution that will do some home composting or do all kind of different things.
0:26:40.840,0:26:48.280
Because with all my respect with everybody who's trying to solve the problem I have a feeling that
0:26:48.280,0:26:53.960
it's not really necessary to put so much energy. Now, we are quite and you know,
0:26:54.600,0:27:00.680
we're trying to solve problem in environmental problem here, not just to make ourselves feel
0:27:00.680,0:27:05.880
better about things. So, the environmental problem is also using too much electricity.
0:27:05.880,0:27:11.400
Not to mention it it's reflects on your pocket. But even if we don't talk about this, what we do
0:27:11.400,0:27:18.080
here, we we solve the main problem. If you put organics and store them for a while they smell.
0:27:19.000,0:27:25.680
Organics collector takes away this problem. I had this organics there for a few days now,
0:27:25.680,0:27:31.880
but previous load was staying for 2 weeks where we were traveling. We came back and honestly, I
0:27:31.880,0:27:38.680
had fish, I had meat there, I had anything you egg anything that would like stink up the whole place.
0:27:39.800,0:27:45.440
Put my head in there, it doesn't smell. That's all there is to it. Um honestly, my family
0:27:45.440,0:27:52.040
gave me that inspiration. Because um I had like little bucket at home where I would put organics.
0:27:53.320,0:28:00.800
And it stinks as And um every time um it will fill up in the end of the day, nobody wants to touch it
0:28:00.800,0:28:06.280
next day because it smells, everybody hates it. I was the only one who would take it in in backyard
0:28:06.280,0:28:12.760
and and dispose of it in our composter. So, I figured there is a problem because nobody likes
0:28:12.760,0:28:18.120
this, and that's natural that people, you know, have sensitivity to things like that.
0:28:18.840,0:28:25.120
Now, with our unit, you you only dispose of things once a week. You press the button here, you know,
0:28:25.120,0:28:31.640
and uh it lifts up. You take out the container. And that's it. I have some organics in there
0:28:31.640,0:28:38.280
for those who saying That's right. And uh that's pretty much all there is to it. Um now, uh we also
0:28:38.280,0:28:43.760
have a bag that goes inside. And for those who don't want to carry the the bucket and they they
0:28:44.440,0:28:51.320
and um just want to dispose of the bag that will also be compostable. And talking about growth,
0:28:51.320,0:28:57.920
what milestones are you most excited about over the next, let's say, 5 years? Well, I think that
0:28:57.920,0:29:05.480
our milestones are quite quite ambitious. Mhm. There are several layers of of what we can offer
0:29:05.480,0:29:11.440
to people. And but something that we we would prefer not to There there are layers of people who
0:29:11.440,0:29:15.400
the population that would uh just want to feel better about what they're doing.
0:29:16.200,0:29:22.200
And they would buy us our product and and use it. And we're very grateful to them because they will
0:29:22.200,0:29:28.720
be doing a very important thing. For our company, however, our ambition is to change how we live.
0:29:29.320,0:29:34.800
We believe that precycling in this particular designs or or some things that will be adapted to
0:29:35.440,0:29:43.120
probably lower cost or whatever else you know, that we come up with. It is a way of the future.
0:29:43.120,0:29:48.160
Uh you know, I was writing some, you know, text and so on. We brainstormed on this. You know,
0:29:48.160,0:29:53.880
when you look at science fiction, do you ever see people throwing things in the garbage can? We
0:29:54.960,0:30:01.840
We got You know, if we're to to evolve, we need to get go beyond that process. We'll always generate
0:30:01.840,0:30:07.880
waste one way or another. It's just how life is. But we can address it in much more technologically
0:30:07.880,0:30:13.840
advanced way. And that's what our ambition is. Our ambition is to be in every household
0:30:13.840,0:30:20.600
around the world. Not as a company, we're totally open to have partners, you know, competitors,
0:30:20.600,0:30:26.720
whoever. But we have to solve this problem. Otherwise, we'll just be knee-deep in our own.
0:30:27.560,0:30:31.920
And you mentioned partners at the beginning of this conversation. So, are there any partnerships
0:30:31.920,0:30:37.160
or industries that could accelerate your mission? Well, um other companies that
0:30:37.160,0:30:43.040
create appliances of different kinds could be accelerating by creating other appliances and or
0:30:43.600,0:30:50.280
producing them with us or anything like that. We're As I mentioned, we're mission-driven. In
0:30:50.280,0:30:55.560
the United States alone, there's like 120 million households. And when we talk about the world,
0:30:56.560,0:31:04.000
it's something that we all need to address. So, um But for now, our partners, true partners that we
0:31:04.000,0:31:12.000
work with consistently are recycling companies and that we work with, namely, a cell plastic one that
0:31:12.720,0:31:19.720
you know, has a vision to ask us for 100% of all the blocks that we treat to go to them right now.
0:31:20.360,0:31:24.720
And so far, they can process it. You know, when we get beyond that number, we'll see.
0:31:25.240,0:31:32.920
And finally, for our listeners, how can they get involved and support what you're doing, whether
0:31:32.920,0:31:38.360
they're individuals or organizations? Well, first of all, let's spread the word. Let's think about
0:31:38.360,0:31:42.720
the solution itself and just talk to each other and say this what's going to happen, you know, we
0:31:42.720,0:31:48.400
need to think about it. And obviously, everybody's welcome to order one from us. There's something I
0:31:48.400,0:31:53.040
want to tell you about ordering right now. Of course, the website you probably see there.
0:31:53.680,0:32:02.360
But beyond that, we as a company put ourselves on on the limb in a way Sure. because we realize
0:32:02.360,0:32:09.960
that cost of the unit of SPC, for instance, for individual family, if they have to pay up front,
0:32:09.960,0:32:14.760
could be prohibitively high because we're not producing them in very large volume at the moment.
0:32:15.880,0:32:20.880
So, what we do is we we created a subscription-based model where they pay like
0:32:20.880,0:32:29.680
$200 up front. And then they just pay subscription to receive our envelopes for for the blocks
0:32:30.400,0:32:36.600
and send it out. It costs about 50 bucks per month. I In in my ideal world,
0:32:36.600,0:32:41.960
they would pay $200 and that's and that's it. And and and eventually, hopefully in the future,
0:32:42.480,0:32:50.360
uh this would will happen. For now, it's just what we do is in this $50, part of it goes towards
0:32:50.360,0:32:57.200
paying for the unit because the unit costs us many times more than the $200 they gave us in front.
0:32:57.920,0:33:01.960
So, that's that's what's going on. You know, this is my honest explanation to everybody.
0:33:01.960,0:33:08.000
If you guys want to take part in this, spread the word and put one in your home.
0:33:08.000,0:33:13.600
And that will be a big start. That will be a first step forward towards a much cleaner future.
0:33:14.680,0:33:21.040
Well, hopefully our audience is going to amplify your mission. I mean, thank you for being my guest
0:33:21.040,0:33:26.080
here on the Green New Perspective podcast. Yeah, it's a really pleasure to be with you. And you
0:33:26.080,0:33:31.960
know, let's all hope that we'll manage to change the world and we will. I have no doubt about it.