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We talk a lot about AI and climate pressure in the abstract, but what does that actually mean
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inside the buildings we rely on every day? Stay tuned to find out.
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Hello friends. You are watching or listening, depending on the platform of your choice, a brand
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new episode of the Green New Perspective podcast, your favorite place on the internet if you want
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to discover innovative technologies or marketing strategies that are fueling growth in
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this space. My guest today is Robert Hemmerdinger. He's the chief sales and marketing officer
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at Delta Controls, a company where AI, sustainability, and infra- infrastructure
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turn into real-life decisions for hospitals, universities, and data centers. Delta Control
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began in the '70s with a straightforward mission to save energy, but as Robert explains,
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that a mission evolved into creating safer, smarter, and tightly controlled
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environments in some of the most demanding spaces, like operating rooms, isolation wards,
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server halls, so every environment where precision is a non-negotiable. So, stay tuned to hear how
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technology is making that possible. Hello
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Robert. So, for listeners who haven't met you yet, can you tell us about your background and how did
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you end up leading sales and marketing in the building automation world? Uh well, yeah, hi. Uh
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my name's Robert Hemmerdinger. I'm the chief sales and marketing officer for Delta Controls, and I've
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just gone into my 27th year in this industry, which I cannot quite believe. Uh how
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I so I completely fell into this in the industry of smart buildings, building automation. I think
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most of us do really. I don't think anyone's kind of wakes up as a you know, a 6-year-old boy and
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thinks, "I'm going to be a controls engineer." So, I I completely fell into it after school,
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literally just saw an advertisement for a company called Andover Controls in the UK
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uh at the European headquarters, went in as a as a young engineer, did technical support, did uh some
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training, did some project engineering, went into product management, looked after the
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product management for for Andover, which was then acquired by Schneider Electric, a rather rather
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large organization in this space. I then helped with them with uh releasing their large product
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line and managing all of their building automation from a product management point of view, went into
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sales, started a few different teams. At some point in all of this journey, I moved from the UK
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uh to the Boston area of the US. Um and about 8 years ago, I was lucky enough uh through It's a
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very small industry that we we all work in, so I was very lucky enough to get connected with some
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old colleagues at uh at Delta Controls and end up running the sales and marketing business. And for
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someone who's new to Delta, the company, how would you describe what the company does? Sure. So,
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we do building automation. Company's about 40 years old. Uh everything we do actually is in
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the Vancouver area. Uh so, that's really where the company started. It's a global company. We sell
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through systems integrators. We have about 350 of them around the world. It Up until 9 years ago,
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we're completely standalone uh independent organization. And 9 years ago, we were acquired by
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Delta Electronics. Delta Electronics is a global manufacturer of all kinds of electrical devices.
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Primarily, the biggest market we service power systems. So, every time Apple sells an iPhone,
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it includes a little power supply from Delta Electronics, and you can imagine how many
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iPhones are sold literally every minute of every day. So, it's a it's a large organization in the
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billions of dollars, based out of Taiwan. Um and over the last couple of years, they've created
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a a smart buildings group. So, we have a video surveillance company. We have various building
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automation technologies, lighting technologies, and that's all part of the the smart buildings
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team. The Delta Controls piece of that, and it's rather confusing cuz we're both called Delta,
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and that's just pure coincidence, but it it definitely saved on rebranding and it cut down
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on on business card expenditure. We are like I said, we're about uh we're 350 odd people,
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350 odd integrators uh around the world. We do smart building solutions. We're quite innovative.
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We've done a lot of things I would say that are brand new um over the years. Uh we've been very
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instrumental in the creation of BACnet, which is the standard for building automation systems,
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how they communicate to each other, how they're open systems. I actually happen to sit on the uh
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the BACnet International Board of Directors. So, as and we have many of us within Delta that are
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active in the community with open standards, with interoperability, with communication, pushing the
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industry forward. We have a integrated lighting solution, an integrated access control product, as
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well as building automation systems. So, you can literally run the whole building or a good portion
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of the building all from one front end, all from one system. We were the first to the market with
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something called BACnet Secure Connect, which is a which is an encrypted way buildings communicate
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with each other in a very in this cybersecurity world in which we live in today. We were the
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first to market with a SaaS solution. So, we have a building management system,
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which is a true ser- software as a service, a true cloud platform. So, we we um we have a we've got
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some lovely people all screwed away in Vancouver that that creates some really cool technology.
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And I get the I'm I'm the lucky guy that gets to go around the world telling people about it. So,
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I I got the easy job. Uh can you simplify what what Delta does? Like, can you tell us what which
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specific problems do you help customers solve in their let's say day-to-day operations? Sure. So,
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our typical customers are university large commercial office buildings. So, universities,
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large commercial offices that we do very well in. Airports, data centers, health care, stadiums,
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things like that. K-12 schools, universities, colleges. And uh primarily what we're doing is
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is the building management system controls the HVAC equipment. So, we're controlling heating,
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lighting, air conditioning, ventilation, access control, security, and CCTV. And obviously,
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depending on the application, depending on on what they want to do. In a hospital,
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a hospital's needs is very different to a university's needs. Hospitals' need is around
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uh keeping the environment correct for the for the for the patient. And they have tight regulations
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around temperature and humidity that they have in the space. Uh they have tight regulations
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around how many air changes have to happen in the space. We control all of that. So,
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we're controlling the mechanical systems that are serving air, heat, water and into those spaces and
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cooling with our with our control system um and enabling the customer, and if we kind of stick
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with the health care for example at the minute, enabling the the health care provider to balance
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meeting the regulations that they need to to be compliant within that health care environment,
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along with the energy that they that they you know, obviously try to keep their costs as low as
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possible, looking out for sustainability goals, ESG solutions as well. And then we often help
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those customers with other problems. Again, I'll stick with health care, things like asset tagging.
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That's a big problem in hospitals as they've got so much stuff, and stuff goes missing. So, crash
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carts, nursing carts that have all the tools that the nurses need to be able to do to look after
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the patients. So, we do real-time We integrate to real-time location systems. There's a new term for
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it now, and I can't remember quite what it is, but what used to be called baby tagging. Uh-huh. So,
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when a when a baby's born, they have a little tag put on them, and we know where they are in
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the hospital, and if they go somewhere where they shouldn't, i.e., someone is is doing something
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very nefarious, an alarm goes off, and you know, everyone everyone rushes to where they need to be.
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So, we help our customers go into those other areas where, you know, they they have problems
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that need solving. Again, it depends what it is, it depends on the customer. Our platform has been
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And I I'd say it's a mix We've been quite lucky in that our platform is a mixture of something
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that it's very flexible. So, you can do some great things with it. It really is a platform,
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it's a tool that enables people to do what they want with the the It's It's like a tool kit. We
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don't necessarily give our customers the complete answer, but we give them the tools to create the
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answer. And our immediate customers are systems integrators, and and they are very smart people.
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They are people that come up with ideas that we never would have in a million years. And the best
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example I can The best analogy I could use is is it's like Excel. So, Microsoft makes Excel,
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and it's a fantastic piece of software. And then all the way around the world, you have
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these great people that create these spreadsheets with all these charts and all these formulas, and
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you think, "My goodness, that's that's a pretty impressive thing. I don't even understand how that
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thing works." Our platform's very similar, but in in the smart building space. You've
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mentioned that Delta is a 40-year-old company, so it has a long history in in building automation.
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How has your role evolved as the market shifted towards AI, data, connectivity? Yeah,
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it's it's amazing actually. It was a few years ago, I had the realization that digitalization
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is something that constantly happens. You know, I said I've been in this industry 29 years now,
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and I remember when I joined, there was a big push to have the paperless office. And so,
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that's really 29 years ago, that's when email was really coming in. There there were still some fax
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machines kicking around the office, and we used faxes a lot and paper, there was memos and things,
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but really email was really starting to kick off. And we felt really digital. We felt really smart
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and connected and we felt like we were we had digitalized our environment. It was only a few
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years ago I realized that actually digital is not going digital is not something that is one
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and done. It is something that continues to evolve over time and I think we're now seeing that with
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what's happening with AI and and everything that encompasses and will continue to do so. So sitting
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here right now and talking about AI, I imagine how dumb we will sound in 5 years when we look back at
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this recording and go what were we thinking? We didn't know we didn't know what we were talking
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about at all. And it's very similar in our space. Our customers needs have changed over time. This
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industry was born out of energy conservation. So so until kind of the 70s buildings were just left
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running. You know, they were fully heated or fully cooled. The lights were left on and then you had
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the energy crisis in the 70s and that really spurred the and also a an adoption of digital
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electronics enabled to be created. So we've always been about saving energy but then we've shifted
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over time into helping customers solve other problems. I'll stick with health care as an
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example because this this is one of my favorites. We had a one of our integrators in the Pacific
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Northwest of the US in Idaho had a hospital where they had a problem in the operating theater where
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the surgical team were getting frustrated with the HVAC system and that on the thermostat on
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the wall was saying one temperature but it was saying you know they were they were setting it
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to say 69° but it was hot. It was so hot that the surgeon was actually sweat was dripping off
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their head onto the patient, right? That is not a good position to be in. You don't you do not want
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to be that patient in that environment. So the staff were were frustrated, the surgical team,
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the nursing staff. Obviously the patient's not in a good position and it starting to get
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out of tolerance of what is acceptable to meet compliance with the various regulatory factors
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that they have to to adhere to. And and to got to the point where the surgical glue that they used
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to to sew the patient back together again, that was going out of its tolerable range as well. So
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that was spoiling because of the heat in the room. So of course what they would do is they would go
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over and they would change the set point and they would try and bring the temperature down but the
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the room would overcompensate. It would go too low and then so then they would start to get cold. And
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you also you don't want to be too you don't want to be cold in a space either. bad for the patient,
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really bad for the team. And all of this was because the thermostat was so far away. These
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rooms are you know operating theaters now are huge spaces, there's a lot of equipment in them.
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How the room is cooled is very interesting. They have what's called a large diffuser which sits in
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the ceiling that's pumped air out and it creates a a curtain over the patient and then goes along
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the room and up the walls. So this was the problem that they integrated was given. They did a thermal
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dynamic study on the space where they looked at the space and and they used thermal cameras
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to understand how the air flow is going and how the heat and the cooling is reaching different
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parts of the space. And then what they end up doing is deploying one of our sensors which is
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called the O3 sensor. It is a sensor hub and it lives on the ceiling. So we've taken all of the
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different bits of plastic that you would normally stick on the wall such as a temperature sensor,
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a humidity sensor, a light sensor, a light switch. We've taken all of that and we've put it onto the
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ceiling. And what that also does is it doesn't measure just the temperature up at the ceiling. It
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uses infrared to measure temperature anywhere in the space. So we calibrate the sensor to measure
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exactly where the patient is on the bed. And it's a it's a very unique piece of technology.
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We actually have a patent on that technology and we use it in all kinds of different scenarios,
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all kinds of different segments. But for this specific example in the operating theater, we
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were able to measure exactly what the temperature was where the patient was being operated on. We
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fed that back into the system and within days we brought what was called hunting in the the
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room's going and I'm I'm sure you've been in a space where the room's gone hot then cold then
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hot then cold then hot then cold. It's so it's so frustrating. It's brought the the temperature
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back down to a tolerable space. The staff are happy, the patients are all patients really don't
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know what's going on but they're in a much better place from a health and safety point of view. The
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surgical staff are happy, they're back in hitting their their tolerances. And that's a problem kind
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of going back to your question of what's changed. We we are now with our technology helping patients
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have a safer surgical experience having you know go through a safer medical procedure. We never
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would have done that 30 years ago when I joined this industry. That was not a conversation that
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that we would have so helping customers really understanding their pain points, what are they
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trying to do as a business, what are their goals, what are their priorities and helping them with
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our solution is is something that's changed over the years and it's it's really good actually
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because it's a it's a lot more fun conversation to have. Who knew there's so much drama in the world
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of building automation, Yeah, there is. Yeah. So but selling complex systems like HVAC
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um isn't easy I guess. So what would you [clears throat] say are the biggest marketing or sales
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challenges in this industry? I think probably communicating that value. You know, how how do you
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walk someone through that that use case? I think is probably our biggest challenge right now. Is a
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lot of like I said we created a toolkit and then how you apply that really is down to integrators,
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it's down to the to this community that we have out there. So peeling that back and explaining
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some of those and and there's some things we do we we can't really communicate. You know,
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we do projects. We obviously do you know like a lot of people you think about buildings sometimes
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they're very complex. We do government buildings. We do you know secret stuff that we're not allowed
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to talk about. We even just have customers that are very private. You know, especially now in the
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world of data centers data centers is a booming market. We've seen a probably a 30-40% increase
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in data center sales this year alone all because of AI. It was because of working from home and
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everyone downloading an app every 5 minutes on their phone 5 years ago. Now really it's AI and
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and the thirst that's that's driving that industry and and it doesn't seem to be slowing down anytime
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soon. So we do some great things in that space but we've signed NDAs and customers have IP on the
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technology that they've created so we can't really talk about it which is a bit disappointing. But
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yeah, I would say the the biggest challenge from a sales and marketing perspective is conveying
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that that value to customers. Um and also having the sales force out there to go and have that
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conversation because it's a different conversation that you have with a with a customer. It's a lot
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more consultative rather than transactional. It's a lot more about trying to sit down,
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spend time with them, understand their pain points, understand why it matters to them.
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What difference is it going to make to their business? And then taking a step back and and
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really removing any personal or professional goals that you have and looking at it from a
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purely engineering perspective. What is the best solution here? And it might not be my solution,
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it might be someone else's solution. It may be no solution but really looking at through a very kind
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of with a very altruistic viewpoint. No no real self driver for for a sale or for a an order. How
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do you balance educating the audience versus just selling to them? It's a good question. I would say
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we probably do more educating than anything else. Because of our so so our systems integrators who
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we sell to, some of them we've actually had a 40-year relationship with. So it's a long-term
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relationships that we build with our customers. We have many in the 20 plus years. I would say over
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half of our customers have been with us for 20 years. So when you when you have that relationship
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it's very symbiotic. Our success is based on their success and their success is based on our success
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because they literally wrap their business around our solution. Our solution is what they take to
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what they add their secret sauce into and take to market. So if we don't get it right then they're
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in trouble. So similarly we really listen to them. We have a number of different ways in which we do
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that. Whenever we start a development project, whenever we're creating any new technology,
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all of our customers are invited at various stages throughout the process very much at
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the vision at the very early conception stage. We invite we tell them what we're going to do,
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we invite for feedback. And then when we start developing we stop and we show them where how
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we're progressing and whether they like the look of it, whether they've got ideas and suggestions,
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they want to steer us in one way or another. And that happens at multiple stages through us
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creating a latest piece of technology. And then we they they get involved in in feedback so they
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will tell us try the product for us, provide us some feedback. So you know now any bugs that
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we may have in those very early stages. And then that's kind of at the product level. At the more
0:19:10.080,0:19:15.920
at the strategic level we have we have a number of advisory boards around the world. So about once a
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quarter we get some trusted people from around the from around our customer base. We get them
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in a room, we explain to them what's going on with the tech our company with Delta. You know,
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what's our revenue look like, what's our profit look like, what are our pain points, what are the
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things we're thinking about doing, what are our strategies and we welcome that feedback and they
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literally help us steer the organization. They're like our external advisory board. They're like an
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external board of directors that that help us drive the organization. And these individuals
0:19:47.360,0:19:54.000
are all CEOs or presidents within their own right and they get on the plane once a quarter and come
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and see us to give us that advice and that keeps us very that that between the those two things
0:20:00.000,0:20:05.520
it very much creates a a good relationship a very educational relationship between us and
0:20:05.520,0:20:11.040
them. Well, talking about that that relationship building how have you and your team approached
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that relationship building in a sector that has historically been driven by engineering rather
0:20:15.920,0:20:21.760
than marketing? That's a good question. I I would say because of those relationships that we have
0:20:21.760,0:20:29.280
that that's how we fostered those those relations. I think because of that long-term 20-plus year for
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most of our customers that's given us that that base of engineering excellence. The engineering
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excellence doesn't necessarily within our organization it lives within our customers
0:20:38.800,0:20:44.480
organization. So that give us that that that nice foundation that nice cushion to be able to then
0:20:44.480,0:20:49.200
have more of a marketing conversation or more of a commercial conversation with the outside
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world and then relying on features and benefits and technical specifications if that makes sense.
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And do you feel like the situation is changing? I think AI is going to change everything. In in
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in in ways in which we could never imagine and we can't keep up with it no human can. So it's
0:21:08.400,0:21:15.200
about picking your battles. We've picked a very specific one which is helping our customers do
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more with the resources they have. AI is AI in our industry I think is going to be a blessing
0:21:22.400,0:21:27.760
not a curse. So like I said we have 300 systems integrators around the world. Whenever I talk
0:21:27.760,0:21:32.960
to any single one of them they all say they have plenty of work. They have plenty of orders coming
0:21:32.960,0:21:38.560
in they have plenty of revenue they have plenty of new opportunities that they can go and chase.
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There are buildings that need our technology and they have no problems going and winning that work.
0:21:43.280,0:21:48.160
The problem they have is executing it. The problem they have is engineering staff. The problem they
0:21:48.160,0:21:53.200
have is project managers. The problem they have is is developers and graphics creators that actually
0:21:53.200,0:21:58.320
sit and go back to my example of the Excel spreadsheet the people that sit there and put the
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the data into the Excel spreadsheet. So with that in mind AI is at the we have a talent resource
0:22:05.520,0:22:13.360
problem in our industry and AI is at the come in at the perfect time to help us fix that talent
0:22:13.360,0:22:21.280
resource issue. So at Delta we're working very hard on creating tools that help our integrators
0:22:21.280,0:22:27.280
be a lot more efficient with the resources that they have. So we are launched it we launched a
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product called Building Canvas a month ago now what at our big global conference. We did a it's
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kind of a pre-launch. We we're actually going to go to beta at the end of this year in about
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6 weeks time I guess and then we'll go for general release public release in early 2026 and the the
0:22:44.720,0:22:51.600
the the goal with Building Canvas and we're very confident that we can hit this goal is to reduce
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our integrators engineering time by 50%. So they can do twice as much work as they used to be able
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to do with the same amount of resources that they had this year to next year. And what kind
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of reactions are you seeing? Fantastic. We had a we had a we had a Amazon AWS has been our one
0:23:10.560,0:23:16.960
of our business partners on this process. We had them at our conference between our speakers and
0:23:16.960,0:23:21.680
we had some of their speakers at our conference. The message has been very received very well. We
0:23:21.680,0:23:27.120
had about 400 people at our conference a couple of weeks ago and yeah the message was was was
0:23:27.120,0:23:32.240
received very well. They understand what we're doing. They're very much looking forward to it.
0:23:32.240,0:23:37.360
As always when you go to a conference and someone unveils a new piece of software you always want
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to see the the proof after all you know I love all these people but they're engineers so they
0:23:41.520,0:23:46.640
want their hands on it. They want to test it. They want to see it before they believe it but no they
0:23:46.640,0:23:51.440
completely understand the direction we're going. And it's quite different to what our competition
0:23:51.440,0:23:58.480
are doing. Our competitors are putting the analytic the on the finished product. We're
0:23:58.480,0:24:06.560
putting the AI into the creation of the system. So what happens is if you put the AI in at that level
0:24:06.560,0:24:12.800
you start to build out what's known as a digital twin of the of the building. And digital twins
0:24:12.800,0:24:17.600
are something that's been it's been talked about a lot. Digital twins are used in the world all the
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time. The best example I can give for anyone who's unfamiliar with the term is Google Maps. So a good
0:24:23.200,0:24:29.840
Google Maps is a virtual representation of the real world and it overlays real-time information
0:24:29.840,0:24:35.600
i.e. traffic. So I can drive down a road I can be looking at a map on my phone and I can literally
0:24:35.600,0:24:40.000
see where I'm going and I can see if there's traffic coming. Right? It's a it's a virtual
0:24:40.000,0:24:45.520
representation of of something that's real with live data coming into it. A digital twin has been
0:24:45.520,0:24:50.160
available for the building in the buildings market for a while but we've never really known what to
0:24:50.160,0:24:55.040
do with it and it's been quite expensive to create one on a building that already exists. What we're
0:24:55.040,0:25:00.320
doing with our solution is we've focused on the creation point of it. We're reducing the we're
0:25:00.320,0:25:05.280
using AI to reduce our the amount of time you have to put into the creation and you get the digital
0:25:05.280,0:25:10.400
twin for free. Because you've applied it at the very the very creation of it it auto generates
0:25:10.400,0:25:16.000
this digital twin technology and pretty much freely gives it to our customers which is quite
0:25:16.000,0:25:20.640
unique. To this day I I haven't seen anyone else doing that. You've mentioned that you're helping
0:25:20.640,0:25:26.160
your clients to reach their sustainability goals. So how do you see sustainability and innovative
0:25:26.160,0:25:32.240
tech intersecting especially with the use of AI which can definitely help but also is not that
0:25:32.240,0:25:38.880
sustainable itself. Yeah that's a good point. On the on on AI's sustainability um there's a
0:25:38.880,0:25:47.040
lot of very smart people much smarter than I that have said that AI will fix its own sustainability
0:25:47.040,0:25:53.360
issue. So AI will get to the point where it knows how to be a lot more sustainable how to
0:25:53.360,0:25:58.640
use a lot less energy and it just hasn't quite got there yet. The the model needs to keep running it
0:25:58.640,0:26:03.520
needs to keep learning because at the minute it's running at about what three 400 IQ. It's in a very
0:26:03.520,0:26:08.400
short amount of time it's going to be running at about 4,000 IQ and at that stage it will work out
0:26:08.400,0:26:13.600
how to be a lot more efficient than it is right now. Our customers sustainability goals every
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single one of them has something whether it's they want to have a to be a LEED Platinum building a
0:26:18.720,0:26:24.880
net zero building whether they have corporate ESG goals coming down. The problem actually again is
0:26:24.880,0:26:31.120
is time. They don't have the time to be able to go and do it. They're either not given the budget the
0:26:31.120,0:26:36.880
resources or or a mixture of all three to be able to go and and action those plans. Many of them
0:26:36.880,0:26:41.360
know what they need to do because their building is already telling them through one mechanism
0:26:41.360,0:26:46.240
or another or at least they know know the the software or the tools or the programs they need
0:26:46.240,0:26:50.960
to put in place to be able to go and and figure that out. what's really what AI is really going to
0:26:50.960,0:26:55.840
going to help is again that shortage in resources. So they're not being given the people they're
0:26:55.840,0:27:02.640
not being given the time this is where AI can help. This is where AI is the perfect answer to
0:27:02.640,0:27:07.360
um it's that extra tool in you have in your tool kit to be able to say okay I'm going
0:27:07.360,0:27:13.840
to put AI at that I'm going to try that see what happens and see if that brings down my energy or
0:27:13.840,0:27:18.480
see if you can come up with new ways of being more sustainable finding a new energy source
0:27:18.480,0:27:25.840
reducing my carbon um usage and so on. So yeah I I don't think it's quite there yet as as as truly
0:27:25.840,0:27:30.320
something that you could roll out with a flick of a switch but I think it's certainly heading in
0:27:30.320,0:27:35.360
that direction. And what trends are you watching most closely right now in the building automation
0:27:35.360,0:27:40.240
or energy energy management space? I would say the things that are really most interesting I think
0:27:40.240,0:27:45.120
there's two things that are happening which are very interesting. One is I think there's there's
0:27:45.120,0:27:49.920
there's I'm going to go with three. There's cyber security which isn't going away and obviously is
0:27:49.920,0:27:55.280
increasing but there's a majority of the buildings in the world are old. If you go around any city
0:27:55.280,0:28:01.040
there's only so many cranes right? So majority of the buildings are 20-plus years old maybe
0:28:01.040,0:28:06.720
even 30-plus years old which often means they have 20 to 30-year-old technology inside them.
0:28:06.720,0:28:13.520
From a cyber security point of view that leaves a lot of vulnerabilities. So upgrading buildings to
0:28:13.520,0:28:18.640
better cyber security standards I think is a is a really interesting trend that's going to happen
0:28:18.640,0:28:25.760
and we're already seeing some um hackers some nefarious types go and target systems and and try
0:28:25.760,0:28:29.680
and bring buildings down and and often these are buildings that are critical in nature whether they
0:28:29.680,0:28:35.760
be data centers or airports or things like that. But even even a K through 12 school if you
0:28:35.760,0:28:40.720
brought that down it could be hugely disruptive to the community if if all of a sudden all the
0:28:40.720,0:28:46.080
power went off in the building. But I think cyber security modernizing cyber security is one. The
0:28:46.080,0:28:52.240
other next phase I think for for our industry is going to be open programming. So right now we have
0:28:52.240,0:28:57.040
open standards as to how different technologies communicate with each other and how they share
0:28:57.040,0:29:04.400
data but the programming the actual code that you put into them is is still proprietary. Each
0:29:04.400,0:29:09.280
manufacturer has its own little secret sauce and holds on to that. I think that's going to start
0:29:09.280,0:29:14.240
changing in the next couple of years which creates it starts to create a more open marketplace a more
0:29:14.240,0:29:19.520
more of a a space that more of a space that we used to in the IT world in that I I buy
0:29:19.520,0:29:24.000
a laptop but I can put different applications on it from different from different companies. It's
0:29:24.000,0:29:29.840
going to be more of a open IT environment. And then I think the other one is is data centers. I
0:29:29.840,0:29:35.680
think data centers is a fascinating space right now. They're going through a technology change
0:29:35.680,0:29:41.280
as well as they go more liquid cooling they go more what they call the chip to grid technology
0:29:41.280,0:29:46.320
which is being start to to roll out and just the this the the the insatiable growth that
0:29:46.320,0:29:51.920
we see in data centers is it doesn't seem to be slowing down. It doesn't seem to be stopping.
0:29:51.920,0:29:57.200
So that's the other one that I've got my eye on is data center space. And for other marketing or
0:29:57.200,0:30:03.840
sales leaders in tech industries, what's one lesson you've learned about connecting with
0:30:03.840,0:30:09.760
complex engineer driven audience? Customer value. Always bring it back to the customer value if you
0:30:09.760,0:30:15.120
can because we all love the tech. We all love the technology. We all love the little gadgets
0:30:15.120,0:30:20.720
and the wizards and the and the and the bits of cool systems that we all create in the in this
0:30:20.720,0:30:25.200
engineering world, but always bring it back to customer value if you can and you should.
0:30:25.200,0:30:30.880
Otherwise, what's the point? And and and what I mean by that is that when I say a customer value,
0:30:30.880,0:30:36.240
just go back to that example of our sensor making sure the temperature was right for the patient in
0:30:36.240,0:30:40.080
the operating theater and what that did for the clinical staff. What that did for the operating
0:30:40.080,0:30:44.480
team. What that did for the patient that didn't even know it was happening. That's the real
0:30:44.480,0:30:49.040
customer value of of a solution. So whenever you're working, whenever you're communicating,
0:30:49.040,0:30:54.000
that's that's the right message to have. And when we talk about Delta, what are you most
0:30:54.000,0:30:58.640
excited about looking ahead? Probably the the probably our new AI platform catalyst building
0:30:58.640,0:31:04.960
canvas. I think reducing your engineering time by 50% is this could be revolutionary. This could be
0:31:04.960,0:31:10.160
really change the industry. It's not many times you get to have in in our industry any rate. I
0:31:10.160,0:31:15.440
think sometimes in the others do may may feel well better at this in other other businesses,
0:31:15.440,0:31:21.040
but reducing engineering time by 50% is is a real game changer. So that's the most exciting thing
0:31:21.040,0:31:27.040
for us certainly in the next 12 18 months. And we've come to the end of our conversation. Can you
0:31:27.040,0:31:32.240
tell us well, to me and our audience, if we want to learn more about Delta Controls, where can we
0:31:32.240,0:31:38.240
get informed or get in touch with you? Sure. It's nice and easy. deltacontrols.com. Couldn't be
0:31:38.240,0:31:42.880
easier than that. You can click connect to us. You can find a local systems integrator if you
0:31:42.880,0:31:47.200
want to connect to one of our integrators from there. You can talk to us directly and we're on
0:31:47.200,0:31:52.720
all the social media channels you'd expect. LinkedIn, X, Facebook. I think we're on all
0:31:52.720,0:31:59.200
of them. Or maybe to find a local hospital where your systems have been installed. You
0:31:59.200,0:32:03.440
can see some references. In fact, the one I talked about there St. Luke's, you can that's
0:32:03.440,0:32:08.400
on our website. You you can read about some more details about that and other other sites that
0:32:08.400,0:32:13.600
we've done. Robert, thank you. I'd like to think that there's someone's going to be laying down in
0:32:13.600,0:32:18.720
a on a patient in a in a operating theater in a in a couple of days time and look at the ceiling
0:32:18.720,0:32:23.920
and think, "Hmm, I wonder if that's one of those." Robert, thank you for being my guest here at the
0:32:23.920,0:32:35.600
Green New Perspective podcast. Yeah, this has been fun. Thank you. Thank you so much.